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[Jersey Born]

Ms. X, while it may be true that the flu shot provides some protection for some who take it, taking this vaccine has not been proven in either a long term care setting or in a hospital to prevent the transmission of influenza. A person can be vaccinated, yet still be a silent, asymptomatic carrier of the disease they were vaccinated against, and still spread it to others.

I wanted to convey that taking a flu shot will not make a person magically antiseptic and incapable of transmitting influenza to others. A person can take a flu shot, and then touch an influenza contaminated door knob, or telephone, or shopping cart, and then touch another person. Transmission complete. If the flu vaccine works for a person, it works only for that person. The world around us doesn't become any less germy due to our vaccination status. We live in a very dirty world. Even the air we breathe with each and every breath is full of microbes.

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2013/01/microbes-survive-and-maybe-thrive-high-atmosphere

[newziesuzie]

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Ms. X, while it may be true that the flu shot provides some protection for some who take it, taking this vaccine has not been proven in either a long term care setting or in a hospital to prevent the transmission of influenza. A person can be vaccinated, yet still be a silent, asymptomatic carrier of the disease they were vaccinated against, and still spread it to others.

I wanted to convey that taking a flu shot will not make a person magically antiseptic and incapable of transmitting influenza to others. A person can take a flu shot, and then touch an influenza contaminated door knob, or telephone, or shopping cart, and then touch another person. Transmission complete. If the flu vaccine works for a person, it works only for that person. The world around us doesn't become any less germy due to our vaccination status. We live in a very dirty world. Even the air we breathe with each and every breath is full of microbes.

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2013/01/microbes-survive-and-maybe-thrive-high-atmosphere

WADR, another article not specific to this topic. If you don't approve of flu vaccines that's your choice but I hope everyone gets their advice from people in their real life and not the internet. QVC really shouldn't allow this imho. This is the root of the serious resurgence and reemergence of sickness that used to be under control.

[spindlegirl]

On 9/25/2014 newziesuzie said:

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Ms. X, while it may be true that the flu shot provides some protection for some who take it, taking this vaccine has not been proven in either a long term care setting or in a hospital to prevent the transmission of influenza. A person can be vaccinated, yet still be a silent, asymptomatic carrier of the disease they were vaccinated against, and still spread it to others.

I wanted to convey that taking a flu shot will not make a person magically antiseptic and incapable of transmitting influenza to others. A person can take a flu shot, and then touch an influenza contaminated door knob, or telephone, or shopping cart, and then touch another person. Transmission complete. If the flu vaccine works for a person, it works only for that person. The world around us doesn't become any less germy due to our vaccination status. We live in a very dirty world. Even the air we breathe with each and every breath is full of microbes.

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2013/01/microbes-survive-and-maybe-thrive-high-atmosphere

WADR, another article not specific to this topic. If you don't approve of flu vaccines that's your choice but I hope everyone gets their advice from people in their real life and not the internet. QVC really shouldn't allow this imho. This is the root of the serious resurgence and reemergence of sickness that used to be under control.

Both of your posts make excellent points Newzie. Sadly, "Dr. Jersey" and "Dr. Javala" have appointed themselves to save us all from the world of common sense and actual science. Lol Nothing you say can penetrate.

Just a warning, "Dr. Jersey" posted an article on a poofed flu vaccine thread and she told us the findings of the study were the exact opposite of what they actually were. Beware! Lol

[september]

I'm a past employee of Brigham and Women's, and was always happy to get immunizations, at no cost to me. I don't get this...at all.

[brii]

Good for them!!

[jaxs mom]

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Considering the science is very clear that flu shots are nowhere near 100% efficacious, and their efficacy drops precipitously when they are taken two years in a row, I am glad the Boston nurses are claiming their right to make their own informed medical consent decisions regarding annual flu shots. Good for them.

Add in the fact that the flu mutates and which strain will be the one that goes around is complete guess work.

[Jersey Born]

On 9/25/2014 spindlegirl said:

On 9/25/2014 newziesuzie said:

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Ms. X, while it may be true that the flu shot provides some protection for some who take it, taking this vaccine has not been proven in either a long term care setting or in a hospital to prevent the transmission of influenza. A person can be vaccinated, yet still be a silent, asymptomatic carrier of the disease they were vaccinated against, and still spread it to others.

I wanted to convey that taking a flu shot will not make a person magically antiseptic and incapable of transmitting influenza to others. A person can take a flu shot, and then touch an influenza contaminated door knob, or telephone, or shopping cart, and then touch another person. Transmission complete. If the flu vaccine works for a person, it works only for that person. The world around us doesn't become any less germy due to our vaccination status. We live in a very dirty world. Even the air we breathe with each and every breath is full of microbes.

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2013/01/microbes-survive-and-maybe-thrive-high-atmosphere

WADR, another article not specific to this topic. If you don't approve of flu vaccines that's your choice but I hope everyone gets their advice from people in their real life and not the internet. QVC really shouldn't allow this imho. This is the root of the serious resurgence and reemergence of sickness that used to be under control.

Both of your posts make excellent points Newzie. Sadly, "Dr. Jersey" and "Dr. Javala" have appointed themselves to save us all from the world of common sense and actual science. Lol Nothing you say can penetrate.

Just a warning, "Dr. Jersey" posted an article on a poofed flu vaccine thread and she told us the findings of the study were the exact opposite of what they actually were. Beware! Lol

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. ~ Buddha

[Kachina624]

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Considering the science is very clear that flu shots are nowhere near 100% efficacious, and their efficacy drops precipitously when they are taken two years in a row, I am glad the Boston nurses are claiming their right to make their own informed medical consent decisions regarding annual flu shots. Good for them.

That's all fine and good but they should be removed from patient contact. If there isn't such a job available, oh well...

We went through the same thing with employees at the UNM hospital last year. Don't remember how it was resolved. It just sort of faded from the news.

[pitdakota]

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Taking a flu shot, or any other vaccine, doesn't make a person germ-free, or incapable of transmitting any virus or bacteria to a patient or to anyone else. Baboons who received pertussis vaccines carried the pertussis bacteria in their airways and were capable of transmitting the bacteria to other baboons.

This is from the FDA, an entity that could not possibly be considered anti-vaccine by anyone here:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm

Boy you are really reaching to make the statement "taking a flu shot, or any other vaccine, doesn't make a person germ-free, or incapable of transmitting any virus or bacteria to a patient or to anyone else" and cite it with that article.

The FDA article specifically states "This research suggests that although individuals immunized with an acellular pertussis vaccine may be protected from disease, they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others, including young infants who are susceptible to pertussis disease."

That is a far cry from saying that any vaccine does not prevent transmission of disease and it is a far cry from saying the pertussis vaccine still accounts for the vast majority of cases of pertussis that are occurring in this country.

In fact, the FDA releases cites the research for a need for future research by stating "This resurgence suggests a need for research into the causes behind the increase in infections and improved ways to prevent the disease from spreading.”

Please not that it states suggests a need for research into the causes behind the increase. It could be due to waning immunity, need for a higher dose, or a change in the dosing schedule.

What it does not mean is that all vaccines or even the acellular pertussis vaccine is not effective. That is a really big stretch to take away from that FDA article.

It is valuable research to evaluate the effectiveness of vaccines & vaccine programs. And that type of research takes place in this country and other countries across the globe. But no way anyone can extrapolate from that study that the pertussis vaccine renders immunized children as vectors to transmitting the disease to others and that is the reason we are seeing increased cases of pertussis. It would be way too early to tell. They will do future research and if those results bear out? Great! We then learn about how to improve the vaccine program.

But it could be that they also find that failure to vaccinate children and waning immunity are the causes for the increased cases of pertussis in the US.

That will be determined by future research. In the meantime, what we know is that the pertussis vaccine protects many children from this disease.

[jerseygirl1]

On 9/25/2014 Jersey Born said:

Considering the science is very clear that flu shots are nowhere near 100% efficacious, and their efficacy drops precipitously when they are taken two years in a row, I am glad the Boston nurses are claiming their right to make their own informed medical consent decisions regarding annual flu shots. Good for them.

Thank you Jersey, good to know there is intelligent life on the QVC message boards but I fear your efforts are for naught.