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He had me run one and a half miles yesterday and he took my pulse at every quarter and then afterward.

I was so proud of myself...I could even carry on a conversation and my heart rate recovered very quickly.

The bad news?

I could talk while I ran and I recovered quickly...I wasn't working hard enough and have to UP my cardio!!!!

He's right...but I'm bummed. I have to go back to gasping for air and intervals!!!!

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Re: Bad News from my Trainer...

That's wonderful you're seeing results. Have him do a VO2 & VCO2 test. That's the gold standard assessment of your oxygen consumption & expression.

After 6 days a week of Spin/kettlebells, I thought I would do well. I DID...with my VO2/VCO2 testing, but....I was training constantly @ 90% MHR...anaerobic threshold. I was a kickas.s Sugar Burner, but had no aerobic base...and didn't burn fat efficiently. Over this last yr, I've slowed down my workouts to the 60-70-80%MRH...and I'm getting leaner & leaner without altering my diet. Without oxygen, ie gasping, is not burning fat...yes, you burn calories, but I guess I want both...and I'm getting both by training in my Aerobic Zones.

Don't get me wrong, I allow 1 day for all-out Spin...and I'm increasing my wattage without much effort. Getting stronger, getting leaner...and easier workouts? Whaa? I've been training for 54 yrs...and I've been learning more & more each day for long term, until-I-die results. Good luck!

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Re: Bad News from my Trainer...

On 10/24/2014 terrier3 said:

He had me run one and a half miles yesterday and he took my pulse at every quarter and then afterward.

I was so proud of myself...I could even carry on a conversation and my heart rate recovered very quickly.

The bad news?

I could talk while I ran and I recovered quickly...I wasn't working hard enough and have to UP my cardio!!!!

He's right...but I'm bummed. I have to go back to gasping for air and intervals!!!!

Had type different Protocols of Pulmonary/Cardiac Stress Testing over the years. All but a couple measured Max Vo2 with full Pulmonary Cart along with all the other electronic hookups. One was done to for analysis of the primary type of muscle fibers in my legs. Another was a 2 hour workout where they measured the loss of electrolytes lost during this workout. Was study on electrolyte replacement/best type/best time lapse between max heart rate and a couple other studies I cannot remember right off hand.

The main goal of all of these Exercise Physiologist when it came to ones fitness level was to measure the Max Vo2 along with the seconds/minutes in took my heart rate to return to pretesting level. They measure total fitness by recovery time not how high at how long a person can run at any percentage of their max heart rate.

For me I was more concerned about my cardio an pulmonary system to be able to burn oxygen at max levels along with dispel the carbon dioxide fast enough to prevent or reduce the amount of lactic acid buildup in my body. Since hockey is mostly an "anaerobic sport" be it playing or on-ice officiating, how fast my body recovered to be able to repeat over and over the same anaerobic conditions for the full length of a hockey game.

My best 10k/5k and mile race times came after I was 50+ years old. Same with my speed skating in our State Winter Olympics competitions. They were rated by age brackets so my goals were to at least be in the top 3 in the over 50 age categories. I varied my training for running, but 95% of it was done on a treadmill, using exclusively interval training. That is how I decreased my times in the 10 and 5k races. And for the mile I cut back the distance of the intervals and did more of them with less rest time in between each rep.

On the treadmill it is easy to run exact speed(mph and mpm)along with running intervals at different levels of elevation. All done to increase leg speed turnover along with acclimating specific muscles to the stress of running uphill for endurance strengthening for the main running muscles(the thigh biceps)and the primary muscles used for ice skating(which are mainly the quad muscles involved in skating.

What I found out as I got older was "doing more" ended up with me "accomplishing less" of my stated goals. For running I decreased the number of miles I ran, and if running for "time only ", I also decreased the time spent running. That is when my times for road races started coming down and my time for the 100meter/200meter/400 meter times also came down in my Winter Olympic Speed Skating competitions.

Not so much the amount I did but more to do with the methods I chose doing them. Passed this on to so many of my running friends I lost count of how many tried this way of training beneficial in all different distances of their road races. Some ranging from the mile through every distance up to and including a Half Marathon.

When doing my fastest intervals I never worried about my gasping for air, my main focus was always on my heart rate and when it came down to a certain "bpm" I jumped back on the belt and did another interval. My breathing(gasping)was never an issue or way of measuring my speed/overall fitness level/or seconds-minutes taken to recover after each interval.

Maybe things have changed a bit since I did my competing in these events, but I do know that most runners I stay in contact with(those that run competitive road races)still primarily train with intervals be it running uphills/downhills or on flat ground. They have told me this not only has decreased their times for distances but has also helped them in reducing their injuries.

I also did the same amount of stretching as I did running or skating. If I ran for an hour I stretched those muscles along with all rear body muscles and connecting tissues. Three days a week I put aside time for resistance training, which to me is also mandatory for most to reach their full potential, whatever their goals might be in this regard.

For those looking for fat burning I found a combination of running or other heart rate increasing exercises for longer periods of time, along with doing fast/faster/and fastest intervals to be the key. A week never went by where I did not go outside and run for at least an hour, and more like an hour and a half. I did not care how fast I was running nor if I was using a 75-80-85% of my Aerobic Zone. I knew from all the Exercising Physiology Treadmill Testing exactly the "beats per minute" when my heart crossed the Anaerobic Threshold, and the outside running days were just to acclimate my joints to impacting with the ground, which is not the case when one does such a high percentage of their training on a treadmill.

Not only did I decrease my times/increase my leg turnover speed, I also was having Hydrostatic Underwater Body Composition Testing down each year. My body fat upon changing my methods of training went from 9% down to 6% over a period of about 2 years. That was the frosting on the cake for me. I was faster/stronger/recovered quicker and reduced my body fat percentage without reducing my weight. At my best I am 5'8" and the best weight for me was between 130-132lbs when it came to competitions.

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Re: Bad News from my Trainer...

OP, why is this bad news?

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On 10/25/2014 ID2 said:

OP, why is this bad news?

I thought I was doing so well..I forgot that I need to get to the next level...and it's tough.

I decided to ramp up the cardio with jump rope. It's easy to do at home and it does leave me breathless.

I don't like it at all...so it must be good for me!

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Re: Bad News from my Trainer...

If you're running on a treadmill, you can raise the elevation. Although I'm sure you know that. Anyway, that's what I do.

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On 10/25/2014 Luv_My_Beagle said:

If you're running on a treadmill, you can raise the elevation. Although I'm sure you know that. Anyway, that's what I do.

I always raise the elevation between 8 and 15 and 3.8 - 4.2 MPH. I do intervals too, but they are getting too easy and if I do more than 5 miles, my one knee hurts the next day.

I just did a 5K race in the Adirondacks up and down hills, but I jogged. Running isn't for me on a daily basis...so I have just about finished what I can do regularly on the treadmill.

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Yes, whenever I can do something well, my trainer just makes it harder the next time I work out with her. In the end, it's a good thing that it never gets easier, you always have to get pushing. If I didn't have my trainer, I wouldn't get any better or stronger as I wouldn't keep pushing myself.

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On 10/25/2014 Hayfield said:

Yes, whenever I can do something well, my trainer just makes it harder the next time I work out with her. In the end, it's a good thing that it never gets easier, you always have to get pushing. If I didn't have my trainer, I wouldn't get any better or stronger as I wouldn't keep pushing myself.

I don't do straight aerobics with my trainer...I lift weights and do Cross Fit with him. Aerobics I can always do on my own.

So after I was bragging about doing the 5K - he tested me and ordered me to work harder!

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Re: Bad News from my Trainer...

Terrier, you do all of this every day and you are still not healthy enough?

Cripes . . . I can't believe I've lived this long!

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