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@phoebesnow Welcome to the Wen forum and the wonderful world of Wen!!! 
I love my Wen and I think so very highly of Chaz, so I always feel a bit sad when I say that I his formula recommender is confusing for me. Just now, I went to his site and checked it out once again. I tweaked a few of my options (within reasonable parameters) but, for the most part, their suggestions do not include the formulas that work best for my hair.
I have baby fine, porous hair. -- I've tried most of the formulas except for Wen Men, the Kids CCs, Fall Tuscan Pear, Winter White Citrus and Spring Honey Lilac. So I've figured out what works best on my hair.
Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) is my "go to" first cleanse and The Seasonal of the Moment (or Bamboo Green Tea - BGT) is my second cleanse. I use 613 CC as part of my leave in and, if my hair starts to look damaged, a 613 cleanse bounces my hair right back into shape.
With Chaz's formula recommender, when I experimented with various results (within the parameters of my hair type) Lavender (LAV) was always among the top results. LAV frizzes my hair out or leaves it lifeless (crazy contradictory results, I know), but it never works for my hair. In fact, within this forum, LAV seems to be the most problematic CC for people to use (some like it, but a number of people have had problems with it).
Cucumber Aloe (CA) came up a lot as well. Now CA does work well for my hair type but I've read a number of posts from Wenners who have my hair type who felt that it was drying on their hair.
Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) also came up occasionally and it always weighs my hair down. -- To be fair, my results with SAM do not seem to be typical at all. SAM is a Universal and it seems to work well for most people.
Pomegranate (POM) was the other formula suggested and it works well on my hair. POM is also a Universal since it works well for all types of hair.
So, the info above us why I find the formula recommender to be confusing.
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UNIVERSAL WEN CLEANSING CONDITIONERS
I think the three Universal choices which most Wenners agree on are Tea Tree (TT), Pomegranate (POM) and Sweet Almond Mint (SAM).
All of the the Seasonals, Bamboo Green Tea (BGT), Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) and 613 have the added skin care ingredients and the amino acid complex in them. -- The amino acid complex works wonders for my thin/baby fine hair and my hair literally can't get enough of it (I once kept a 613 CC hair mask on my hair for three days).
In contrast, if you have healthy hair or coarse/thick hair then you should probably add these formulas in slowly and see how your hair response to them. This is because these hair types naturally have more protein in their hair than do folks who have thin/fine hair. -- Too much protein in the hair can cause the hair to get dry, brittle and can even cause hair breakage. A number of people with these two hair types do use the amino acid formulas but they just don't use it every time they cleanse their hair.
So it's probably easiest to start out by trying Tea Tree (TT), Pomegranate (POM) and Sweet Almond Mint (SAM).
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The WEN by Chaz Dean Cleansing Conditioner Trio, 16 oz is a great 3-piece 16oz kit that includes Tea Tree, Pomegranate, and Sweet Almond Mint. It's priced at $64 which means that each CC is just $21.33 plus a single $3 S&H charge. -- These are three universal formulas that work well for most people and it's a great value price.
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The WEN by Chaz Dean 16oz. Cleansing Conditioner w/ Travel Packs includes a 16oz SAM plus (8) 2oz Classic Variety pack of CCs. It's priced at $39.86 which means that each 16oz of CC is about $20 (versus the Classic CC 16oz regular price of $29). -- This lets you try all 6 of the Classic CCs at a great value price.
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i think the Classic formulas are a great place to start and these are two options that are available at excellent values.
Best of Luck!!
-- bebe
@phoebesnow , I put the information below together a while back. You can also find it in the Wen FAQ thread (message #4) and Wen 101 thread (message #7). -- bebe
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WEN SCENTS
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Most Popular Wen Scent (in my opinion)
Tea Tree (TT) -- it really helps to keep your scalp healthy, balances oil production, keeps dandruff at bay, and seems to make your hair grow more quickly. Chaz calls it one of the "universals". Most Wenners on this board (as well as the Wen models & hosts) seem to incorporate it into their routine. Besides its slightly medicinal smell, which most people get used to fairly quickly, I've only read a few complaints about it.
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Scents Used for Specific Reasons
* Sweet Almond MInt (SAM) / Pomegranate (POM) / Tea Tree (TT) / Bamboo Green Tea (BGT) -- considered universals (i.e. for everyone) -- BGT, some people find too drying -- SAM, the first CC Chaz created, is sometimes too heavy for baby fine hair.
* Fig (FIG) -- most moisturizing (sometimes too heavy for baby fine hair)
* Summer Honey Peach (SHP) / Summer Mango Coconut (SMC) / Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) -- moisturizing (just not quite as moisturizing as Fig) without weighing down baby fine hair. -- MIF, some people find a bit drying.
* Cucumber Aloe (CA) -- most clarifying/astringent (some people find it too drying)
* Lavender (LAV) -- for volume, if you have a lot of hair (sometimes the witch hazel makes it too drying for not a lot of thin/fine hair)
* Tea Tree (TT) -- maybe for some volume, if you have thin/fine hair.
* Tea Tree (TT) -- normalizes an oily scalp by rebalancing sebum production (results take a few months). Also, as an anti-fungal, tea tree oil helps get rid of excessive fungal growth which can cause dandruff.
* 613 / Bamboo Green Tea (BGT) / Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) / Wen Men / all the Seasonals -- adds amino acids (e.g. protein) and additional skin care ingredients to your hair. 613 is the most concentrated (to quote Chaz: "Wen on steroids"). -- If you already have a healthy head of hair or if you have thick/coarse hair, in particular, use 613 sparingly at first. To a lesser extent, this applies to all the cleansing conditioners which contain the amino acid complex. -- For some people, it can make your hair feel like straw or even cause your hair to get brittle and break. Your hair is made of protein. Depending on your hair type, too much protein may not be a good thing (but generally it's great for thin, fine, damaged hair).
* Bamboo Green Tea (BGT) and Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) -- are the two cleansing conditioners in the Restorative line, which uses a proprietary bamboo water and bamboo extract in their formulations. Bamboo contains natural silica which increases hair strength while keeping it flexible. This way the hair doesn't become rigid and more likely to break (which can happen if sand silica is used as an ingredient).
* Kids formulas (Apple (WKA), Watermelon (WKW), & Strawberry-Banana (KWSB)) -- gentlest for the hair and scalp (rice based / no menthol)
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Allergies -- scents used because of specific allergies
* for those with allergies - *cleansing conditioners* - best choices -- wheat allergies: soy-based (POM, 613 & Seasonals) or rice-based (Kids formulas, BGT & MIF) formulas -- soy allergies: rice-based (Kids formulas, BGT & MIF) -- nut allergies: soy-based (613 & Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP)), rice-based (Kids formulas, BGT -- MIF (?)) ---- to be safe, *ALWAYS* read the ingredients listings.
* for those with nut allergies - product lines - best choices (per Chaz Dean's Salon on 3/25/14) -- 613 products: CC, SC, RTM & mousse. ---- some POM products: SC, GS, & Re-Moist are nut-free. -- Sweet almond oil (nut-based) is in the POM CC, RTM, BCC, & BL. -- Sweet almond fruit (nut-based?) is in the mousse and finishing creme. -- POM Treatment Oil (forgot to ask). ---- Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP) cleansing conditioner---- to be safe, *ALWAYS* read the ingredients listings.
*** to be on the safe side, *ALWAYS* read the ingredients listings. ***
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last update: 8/22/15
@bebe777 wrote:@phoebesnow Welcome to the Wen forum and the wonderful world of Wen!!!
I love my Wen and I think so very highly of Chaz, so I always feel a bit sad when I say that I his formula recommender is confusing for me. Just now, I went to his site and checked it out once again. I tweaked a few of my options (within reasonable parameters) but, for the most part, their suggestions do not include the formulas that work best for my hair.
I have baby fine, porous hair. -- I've tried most of the formulas except for Wen Men, the Kids CCs, Fall Tuscan Pear, Winter White Citrus and Spring Honey Lilac. So I've figured out what works best on my hair.
Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF) is my "go to" first cleanse and The Seasonal of the Moment (or Bamboo Green Tea - BGT) is my second cleanse. I use 613 CC as part of my leave in and, if my hair starts to look damaged, a 613 cleanse bounces in right back into shape.
With Chaz's formula recommender, when I experimented with various results (within the parameters of my hair type) Lavender (LAV) was always among the top results. LAV frizzes my hair out or leaves it lifeless (crazy contradictory results, I know), but it never works for my hair. In fact, within this forum, LAV seems to be the most problematic CC for people to use (some like it, but a number of people have had problems with it).
Cucumber Aloe (CA) came up a lot as well. Now CA does work well for my hair type but I've read a number of posts from Wenners who have my hair type who felt that it was drying on their hair.
Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) also came up occasionally and it always weighs my hair down. -- To be fair, my results with SAM do not seem to be typical at all. SAM is a universal and it seems to work well for most people.
Pomegranate was the other formula suggested and it works well on my hair.
So, the info above us why I find the formula recommender to be confusing.
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I'm using my iPhone right now so unfortunately I can't post hot links. There is a great 3-piece 16oz kit that includes Tea Tree, Pomegranate, and Sweet Almond Mint for around $65 I think. These are three universal formulas that work well for most people and it's a great value price. There's also a 16oz SAM & (8) 2oz Classic Variety pack of CCs for $40 that would let her try all 6 of the Classic CCs at a great value price.
i think the Classic formulas are a great place to start and these are two options that are available at excellent values.
Best of Luck!!
-- bebe
The recommender does OK for me, but could be better. I think for me, part of the problem is that I don't know and can't change how the recommender is prioritizing each of the criteria. For instance, when I indicate I have a very itchy scalp it add TT to my list. But when I click yes I want more volume and body, it immediately pushes LAV to the top and drops off TT. If I were able to prioritize those criteria, the itchy scalp issue is much higher priority to me than volume and body.
As it happens, I don't like the scent of LAV and there are plenty of other formulas that give me good volume and body, so I choose not to use LAV at all. It might be nice if the recommender included the seasonal formulas, at least the ones that are currently available. But I can understand why they don't.
The recommender also ranks CA highly for me because I have oily scalp. I haven't used CA in a year or more, but I recall it being only OK for me. I keep some on hand because I'm planning to try it as a clarifier from time to time. But I don't think I will ever go back to using it regularly.
On the whole, I think the recommender did an OK job pointing me in the right direction (if I were new to WEN). I think people should play with it, reducing some criteria and increasing others to see which formulas it recommends for each criteria and then make your choice based on how you want to prioritize those criteria, rather than letting the recommender weight them equally (or whatever its weighting system is).
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