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Delta Will Change How Flight Attendants Are Paid

I swear I never knew that flight attendants in the US are paid hourly, and the clock doesn't start ticking until the doors are shut. So all the time they are helping passengers during boarding, it's volunteer work. I'm guessing it was started to motivate efficient boarding, but I don't really know.

 

So now Delta, trying to avoid unionization, is offering a  change: 40 minutes of boarding time pay at half the flight attendant's hourly rate. The average flight attendant makes about $34/hour.

 

 

 

 

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I was not aware of that either.  The pay doesn't seem  proportionate with all of their duties and responsibilities (not to mention the abuse they endure).

 

Back in the early 70s, I applied to all the major airlines (American, TWA, United, etc) to become a "stewardess". Every one of them sent me a letter stating that they were not hiring.  Like teachers, at the time, there was a apparently a glut in that particular profession too.

 

I went to work instead for the state of California, and it was the best.decision.ever.  I retired at 62 after 38 yrs. of service with 92% of my salary.  All medical, dental and vision is paid for.  While I made a very good salary, it was far less than what I would have made working in private industry.  So, what I was really working for were the benefits.

 

All those rejection letters were actually a blessing in disguise.  I remember being very disappointed which is kind of funny because I now hate to get on a plane.  I had to fly to Sacramento occasionally during the course of my employment and was a nervous wreck every time.  I haven't flown in probably 8 yrs. and never will again.

 

In the case of flight attendants today, it seems like they would be "on the clock" as soon as they walk through that tunnel and step on to the plane.

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That bonus amounts to $11.33 if I did the math correctly. 

 

Seriously ? 😳

 

 

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Wow, I wonder how they get away with not paying flight attendants for boarding time.  That doesn't seem right, or even legal.

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@PickyPicky3 wrote:

I swear I never knew that flight attendants in the US are paid hourly, and the clock doesn't start ticking until the doors are shut. So all the time they are helping passengers during boarding, it's volunteer work. I'm guessing it was started to motivate efficient boarding, but I don't really know.

 

So now Delta, trying to avoid unionization, is offering a  change: 40 minutes of boarding time pay at half the flight attendant's hourly rate. The average flight attendant makes about $34/hour.

 

 

 

@PickyPicky3  It's much more complicated than this.  This is very interesting.  Thanks for sharing this.  I would not have known. I did find this info below though.

 

 

The majority of the flying public may not be aware that flight attendants aren’t paid while on the ground and the aircraft door is open, greeting you while you board, or while saying goodbye as you deplane. This is the most common misconception we’ve come across when explaining our industry to others outside of aviation.

If you’ve ever been a passenger during a lengthy delay and got angry or experienced anxiety over it, you can now sympathize with your flight attendant crew instead.  As each minute passes, their pay is being diluted which means they will be working longer than expected and receiving less monetary compensation for it. Some airlines have implemented pay components that will provide the flight attendant some additional compensation should that flight attendant experience an extended duty day but it’s not much compared to what they would make if the scheduled flights went as planned.

 

Each airline has in place different pay components called “RIGS” to ensure the flight attendant receives some reasonable compensation during extended delays, long taxi times, diversions, gate holds, cancellations or any other event that causes scheduled flights to not go awry. Some airlines are generous…some not so much.  

 

Flight Attendant Flight Pay

 

The main component of a flight attendant’s salary, which we will refer to as “flight pay”, are the total hours the flight attendant is on the plane with passengers either navigating the taxiways or flying in the air.

 

Typically, flight attendants employed at major airlines in the United States will not receive flight pay until all customers are boarded, the doors have been closed and the pilots have released the aircraft brakes in preparation for pushback from the gate.  Most airlines use the term “block out” for this.  Flight pay will continue until the flight reaches its destination, parks at the gate, and the aircraft parking brake is set.  This is known as “block in”.  The “blocks” in question are referring to the chock blocks the ramp crew puts behind the landing gear wheels to prohibit unanticipated aircraft movement.

 

The rate of flight pay at each airline is different. Typically, flight attendants who belong to a union and are employed at a major airline will receive a higher rate of flight pay. Flight attendants will all receive the same rate of pay defined by their airline and that rate will increase every year the flight attendant celebrates an anniversary (which is referred to as “seniority accrual”) and will stop when they reach the top rate. Flight pay does not vary based on individual experience or performance. It is a set rate that all flight attendants within the same airlines will receive once they graduate and start logging hours.

 

Based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, flight attendants log between 75-100 hours a month of flight time. These numbers can vary at each airline depending on the airline’s work rules such as any cap on hours and if overtime is offered or available.  

 

 Depending on your seniority within your airline, flight attendants are either on “reserve” or are “lineholders”.  Lineholders are guaranteed a minimum amount of flight hours in predetermined trips per month and those trips are awarded through a seniority-based monthly bidding process.  The different ways that airlines facilitate this bidding process can differ, however all of them rely on seniority to determine what flight attendants can “hold”.  Reserves are also guaranteed a set amount of hours each month, regardless if they fly or not.  Reserve schedules are awarded during the monthly seniority-based bidding process as well.  Being on reserve requires the flight attendant to be available should the company need them to work a flight or sit standby at the airport where they might be needed to fill a position on a crew as quickly as possible.

 

Here is a comparison of the hourly rates flight attendant receive for flight pay at each airline.

 

Flight Attendant Per Diem

The second component of a flight attendant’s salary is “per diem”. This is compensation paid to the flight attendant for every hour they are away from base. Per diem typically begins when the flight attendant reports for duty and ends 15 minutes after the plane blocks into the gate on the final leg of a trip.  The 15 minutes post block-in is called a“debrief”.

 

Per diem is meant to cover expenses such as meals and basic essentials while the flight attendant is away from home. The flight attendant will continue to accrue per diem even after the flight arrives at a layover and the flight attendant has checked into their hotel room for the night. In case you’re wondering, all airlines cover the cost of hotel rooms when flight attendants are required to layover while working a trip. Per diem ranges between $1.50-$2.00 per hour. Some airlines pay a few cents more if the flight attendant is working an international trip which means flights from the United States to an international destination.

 

For example, a flight attendant works a 4 day trip. From the time the flight attendant reported at the airport for their first flight until their 15 minute debrief on the fourth day, their time away from base (TAFB) totals 84 hours. The airline they work for pays $1.50 per diem so the flight attendant will receive $126 in per diem for that particular trip. If the flight attendant happened to work the same trip once a week, then the total per diem for that month would be $504.

 

Per diem for multi-day trips in which the flight attendant is required to layover for one or more nights is not taxed. Some flight attendants will specifically bid for longer trips so that they receive more per diem pay.  Packing your own food and spending less on layovers are two ways that you can maximize your per diem allowance and keep more of that money in your pocket.  It’s not uncommon for flight attendants to want to sightsee, enjoy local nightlife, or shop while on a layover- which means they could end up spending more than they earn from per diem.  If one can afford that, no harm no foul because enjoying a layover is a part of the flight attendant experience!

 

Besides flight pay and per diem, flight attendants may receive additional compensation if they work a specific position on the plane, such as the “Lead Flight Attendant” or if they are language qualified on flights that require an interpreter. Depending on the airline, position pay ranges from an additional $2 to $3 per flight hour and language pay is an additional $2-$3 per flight hour. These pay components are only paid when the flight attendant is receiving flight pay- not for every hour away from base like per diem.

 

As you can see, flight attendant pay isn’t as clear as a blue sky! Some airlines don’t really go into detail regarding the nuance of pay when they hire new flight attendants and for a good reason. The idea of not getting paid for the first hour you’re at work, the time you are on the ground experiencing a delay or in between flights would not be very alluring for potential candidates. Many flight attendants complain about the lack of a true hourly rate for every hour they are at work. It’s important to note that pilots are also paid the same way for their flight time. Pilots might not be as perturbed by this since they receive a much higher rate for flight pay and also have lower limits for how many hours they can fly each day and remain on duty.  It’s important to note that this is the aviation industry standard and is not likely to be changed anytime soon. 

 

Key Points on Flight Attendant Pay

  • The two main components of flight attendant pay are flight pay and per diem.
  • Flight pay is paid for the hours the flight attendant is on the plane.
  • The rate of flight pay typically increases after every year of employment until the top rate is reached. The higher the seniority, the higher rate of flight pay.
  • Per diem is paid for every hour the flight attendant is away from home.
  • Some airlines provide supplemental pay which could be based on position worked, languages spoken, international flights and night flying.
  • A Flight attendant’s monthly salary will vary greatly at each airline. It really depends on seniority, hours flown, or guaranteed that month and what other supplemental pay is received.

Here is a comparison of supplemental pay components flight attendants receive at each airline.

 

Due to the unprecedented disruption COVID-19 has put on the airline industry, flight attendants may be facing potential involuntary layoffs (furloughs), involuntary base transfers, company requests to take extended leaves of absence, requests to retire early or take a buy-outs, and pay and hours reductions.  It’s unfortunate and will all depend on each airline’s financial health, government stimulus, the ability for management to come to reasonable agreements with each flight attendant union and, most importantly, getting the public flying safely again as soon as possible.  It cannot be overstated how fervently we wish for the health, well-being, and financial stability for all of our flight attendant colleagues.  Stay strong and stay safe!

 

https://flightattendant.pro/flight-attendant-pay-explained/





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There are other things for which they aren't paid. It was just, I think, 2 or 3 years ago that they started getting holiday OT pay- Christmas and Thanksgiving. When you first start, you make virually nothing and can be on standby for a few years until you get enough seniority to hold a line. So no fly time, no pay. Not as glamorous as some think it is. She puts up with a lot of stuff.

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"He" puts up with a lot of stuff also.

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I don't take jobs that have a pay structure I can't tolerate. I'm currently underpaid I feel but I tolerate it for future benefits.

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@Johnnyeager , sorry, I omitted that I was talking specifically about my friend/neighbor who is a female. Actually, her husband was also a flight attendant but lost his job during the pandemic, not having enough seniority.

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I'm probably alone on this one but while I respect flight attendants and all they have to put up with, especially these days, I also feel that they were aware of the pay status when getting the job.   I have flown a fair amount of times in my day and while many were fantastic , I experienced a few along the way that did not do their job.

Such as on long flights to Europe, one time all our FA were sleeping in the back of the plane with no one monitoring the passengers.........then on another flight I went to use the bathroom closest to my seat (which again was in the back of the plane) and was told by a FA to go to the front of the plane as this was "their" bathroom.  What?????     This is only a couple of examples, I never say anything to them but have witnessed many simply NOT doing their job.   It's like any other field, good and bad.   I don't really care how they get paid, as IMHO flying couldn't be anymore miserable today.