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[SharkE]

Listening to this show Sunday and the biographer Sally Bedell Smith

any one know if she has had  problems with her voice ?

[Love my grandkids]

I've been watching this series and it reminded me of what a cold fish Queen Elizabeth was as a parent. I had read this years before and it's been well documented by others who were familiar with the royal family that she was not affectionate with her kids. And Prince Philip was no prize as a father IMO.

That explains a lot about Prince Charles and I fault her for his disastrous marriage. Had the Church of England, of which she is the head, changed its policy then about him marrying a divorced woman, things might have gone differently for both Charles and Diana, who would never have married.

I always said he was forced to marry what they thought was the last eligible virgin in England.

I'm sure I'll get grief for my opinions, and that's ok. These are my opinions, you are certainly entitled to your own!

[RoughDraft]

@Love my grandkids   No grief from me.  I watched it last night and was disgusted by how Charles was raised and treated from childhood to young adulthood.  if it wasn't for Lord Mountbatten, he might as well have been an orphan 

The conduct of the royal family at that time was totally dysfunctional and led to many of today's so-called scandals.  It might have been called an Ice Palace.

[Love my grandkids]

@RoughDraft ITA! Lord Mountbatten was the ONLY real father figure Charles ever had. Philip was too busy chasing anyhing in a skirt. He was well known as a womanizer.

[judy0330]

@SharkE  I wondered the same thing.  I have read her books and heard her speak before and don't remember her sounding the way she does now.

[luvmybeetle]

@Love my grandkids  - I agree. I also watch the Crown and it shows how the Prince shoved into that school and the boys beat him up at night, he was treated very badly.  He just wasn't a big brawny kid.  He should have married Camilla and everything would be done.  Poor Diana fell into a marriage that wasn't good for her health.  But, she was a great mother to her boys.

[50Mickey]

I have been watching this series also. The episode before this past Sunday focused on Elizabeth as the young Queen. She did the best that she could for the times I guess as far as parenting but Charles more than Anne seemed to be affected by the lack of parental warmth and attention. I thought the footage of Elizabeth and Philip returning from an overseas tour was so sad to watch. Charles was a very young child and he ran to his mother to embrace her. She held him off at arms length and sort of patted him on his head,no kiss. He reached for Philip's hand when they were boarding a train and Philip actually pulled away form him and walked ahead of him. Charles stood there and looked bewildered as to what to do.  Both Charles and Diana raised William and Harry differently. They were loving nurturing hands on parents.  

On another note I saw where Princess Margaret's son , the Queen's nephew is getting a divorce in addition to Princess Anne's son.  So many failed marriages in the Queen's family. Marrying into that family must be extremely difficult. 

[alicedee]

I remember reading articles years ago....when Charles was still single...about the relationship with his parents....more formal than warm and loving.  

The Queen has spent her whole life hiding her personal feelings in the face of doing her duty.  Who knows....maybe she didn't even want to be married or have children....but knew it was her duty, so she did it.  And if her husband was a womanizer..,,she's not stupid..she knew what was going on.  But felt her duty was to bury her emotions and look the other way.

I'm sure she loves her family.  She just is not a demonstrative person.

Charles made a huge effort to be a loving and involved father.  I remember when there was all the speculation on who Harry's father was, you saw even more photos of Charles and the boys fishing and doing other things interacting and having fun.  I give him a lot of credit for overcoming the hurts of his own childhood and making things very different for his sons.

[beckyb1012]

For myself I believe the Queen raised her children they way she and Margaret and previous generations were raised.  If not for Diana's influence the boys would have probably been raised the same as Charles for the most part.  Charles probably would have loosened up somewhat, especially about the choice of schools, but Diana did the most improvements from the "old ways."

[SharkE]

If you think Elizabeth raised her kids cold nothing compared to George V and Queen Mary. She didn't know the nannies were abusing her sons the future KIng, Edward VIII and George VI.  Finally a maid took a chance and told Queen Mary what was going on she couldn't abide it any more.

Queen Mary sacked a couple.  George V was stern and hard .

Remember Albert husband of Queen Victoria he made Edward  walk the chalk. Think it's just all part of them trying to raise their kids as future monarchs and failing to take into consideration how to show them love and respect in the process.  There's an interview out there with Princess Royal, Anne, defending her mother and how she gets criticized for being aloof towards her kids. I think it was filmed during the Queen's jubilee.

Unfortunately, I couldn't watch the piece. Just saw clips of it. May just be available in England.