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09-15-2019 08:41 PM
@Wsmom, Maybe so....it just seems to me (I don't get the feeds) that Jackson has lied a lot more than Cliff has!
09-15-2019 08:43 PM
I would take Cliffy to the end - DITCH NICOLE -
09-15-2019 09:00 PM
@Wsmom, I read @gardenman 's update this morning and tuned in to tonight's show late but will watch to the end. Other than that I've been BB-free today so if what I say isn't up to date by what's been on the feeds today please forgive me. I'm just commenting on what I know was true as of yesterday.
Cliff did make a F2 agreement with Jackson but after some reflection he realized he couldn't go through with it. So, later, Cliff informed Jackson that Nicole was his ride or die and if it came down to a choice between taking him or taking Nicole he would be taking Nicole.
Now, as far as wanting Jackson to choose him over Nicole should it be Jackson's choice he would have wanedt Jackson to pick him. I don't see an issue with that as no one should be expected to give up their game for someone else. There's only so much a person should have to do.
As we know now Cliff won't be choosing anyone in F2 since he's leaving Thursday but Cliff did tell Jackson about Nicole being his F2 choice before the veto was even played on Saturday. Remember, the show is often behind the current state of events in the house. Again, if this has changed and there was some under the bus stuff happening today, I'm not aware of it yet.
I hope this post makes sense. I'm watching and typing at the same time and I'm a miserable multi-tasker, lol!
09-15-2019 09:03 PM
Saw some of the live feeds today seems Nicole is putting the puzzle pieces together now since Jackson told her Cliff is going. Jackson was smooth talking & hardly let Nicole speak also Holly too. The way I see it now is Holly will be F2 if Jackson wins the final hoh or if Nicole wins final HOH Holly will be sitting next to her. Holly will get the $50,000 no matter what. Nicole would be a fool to take Jackson now. Nicole told Cliff and he knows he is going, guess a hand shake & you have my word in the BB house never works. Hope Cliff learned he should know since he is a super fan. Nicole needs to put her emotions aside and play hard to win this.
09-15-2019 09:04 PM - edited 09-15-2019 09:25 PM
@sktchy wrote:I would take Cliffy to the end - DITCH NICOLE -
The problem is he can't do that with Nicole being the hoh. She has guaranteed safety this week. His only choice is to evict Holly or Cliff and we know he won't get rid of Holly.
eta ~ I think if Jackson had a choice he probably would choose Cliff since at least some portion of the final competitions will be physical and Cliff would be less of a threat. If they hadn't asked Holly to throw the last hoh both Cliff and Nicole would be on the block and Jackson could evict whoever he wanted. At this point I think he dislikes them both equally as far as game goes.
09-15-2019 09:58 PM
@SusieQ_2 wrote:@Wsmom, I read @gardenman 's update this morning and tuned in to tonight's show late but will watch to the end. Other than that I've been BB-free today so if what I say isn't up to date by what's been on the feeds today please forgive me. I'm just commenting on what I know was true as of yesterday.
Cliff did make a F2 agreement with Jackson but after some reflection he realized he couldn't go through with it. So, later, Cliff informed Jackson that Nicole was his ride or die and if it came down to a choice between taking him or taking Nicole he would be taking Nicole.
Now, as far as wanting Jackson to choose him over Nicole should it be Jackson's choice he would have wanedt Jackson to pick him. I don't see an issue with that as no one should be expected to give up their game for someone else. There's only so much a person should have to do.
As we know now Cliff won't be choosing anyone in F2 since he's leaving Thursday but Cliff did tell Jackson about Nicole being his F2 choice before the veto was even played on Saturday. Remember, the show is often behind the current state of events in the house. Again, if this has changed and there was some under the bus stuff happening today, I'm not aware of it yet.
I hope this post makes sense. I'm watching and typing at the same time and I'm a miserable multi-tasker, lol!
Thanks so much for the update and clarification, @SusieQ_2 . I really appreciate it! I don't get the live feeds. I come here for updates and Joker's.
09-15-2019 11:03 PM
Just finished watching the feeds. Cliff is crying on and on about how he will be going home on Thursday. Yet he had no issues with being final 2 with Jackson. He had no intention of being loyal to Nicole anyway. So no real loss for me.
Very different on the feeds compared to the live show. The editing is amazing on the live show. And Holly continues to hang on to Jackson and be at his beck and call. I think Jackson believes he has it wrapped up for the win because Holly won't get the votes in the final 2. Time will tell....bitter jury could change everything.
09-16-2019 12:00 AM
"...he had no issues with being final 2 with Jackson. He had no intention of being loyal to Nicole anyway. So no real loss for me." ~ @Trinity11
With all due respect this is incorrect. Cliff had a major issue with being in a F2 with Jackson which is why he returned to him almost immediately and told him he couldn't honor that deal. Cliff informed Jackson that Nicole was his 1st choice and should it come to having to make the choice he would choose Nicole.
Cliff also demonstrated his loyalty to Nicole when he insisted Holly throw the hoh comp to her. He knew that doing so guaranteed her safety this week and a spot in the F3. Can't ask for more than that in a game partner.
09-16-2019 12:16 AM
@ann1989 wrote:It was Cliff who aligned himself with a showmance and Nicole eagerly followed knowing that showmances should be broken up. It was Cliff who naively said to Michie that he always trusted a man who wore plaid shirts and boots. Cliff was not only physically hampered from his leg injuries but getting mentally exhausted too. Though he told Nicole to play her own game, it was too late. Nice guys finish last. A gentle reminder, Tommy lied throughout the entire game when he concealed knowing Christy especially during the incident when Christy blew up over Holly knowing Kat outside of the house. How was that right for them to know one another outside of the house but not Kat and Holly and yes Nicole suspected it early on. Honestly, how could anyone not have suspected it?
oK ,CONCEALING SOMETHING IS NOT THE SAME AS LIEING, ALSO BIG BROTHER knew the circumstances of there relationship and should not have done it,also Tommy didn't know Christy was there until they met in the house,no one ask so he didn't have to tell,what square jaw did was dirty, there is clean lies and then there are dirty lies,and I don't like dirty lies,Tucka.
09-16-2019 12:19 AM - edited 09-16-2019 01:04 AM
I do wonder what damage could be done to the jury deliberations with Christy and Tommy in the house. We watched Christy transform the house once in her favor during a potential eviction with sis, and Tommy is now in residence and I wonder how the news of Michie's lying forcing Tommy's eviction will be received. He is, in my opinion a favorite of everyone ... Between the two being in jury and then Cliff arriving I wonder about votes for Michie ... I don't like Michie or his game ... Ditto for Holly doing zippo but claiming she could have won the last HOH comp had it not been for the promise to Cliff and Nicole just don't sit right with me ... I'm with Tucka ... I see dirty game playing and not a fan of out and out lying which is what he did about Tommy ... His fawning over Nicole is also fake ...
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