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03-23-2023 01:33 PM
@Carmie wrote:Grammar is awful everywhere in America. My local newspaper's website makes me scream. I can't believe they pay people who start a sentance with " Him and his brother"........ it drives me nuts.
They also don't know when to use I and me.
Leah gets these wrong every time! Drives me crazy. How can an "educated" person speak so poorly?
03-23-2023 02:41 PM
@RollTide2008 wrote:My son is a high school senior. He's an underachieving student but can still read and write in cursive.
Our elementary school stopped teaching cursive about 5 yrs ago...it is probable that high schoolers did learn it.
03-23-2023 03:00 PM
I doubt very seriously if there are any shows on TV that use proper english all the time. News people dont sure don't.
The majority of TV watchers either dont care or dont know if and when proper english is being used and when its not.
To let such a trivial matter bother anyone is a waste of your time and engergy. There are more fun things to do in life.
03-23-2023 07:51 PM
@jackiejenny wrote:
@walkingal wrote:
@luvmybeetle wrote:I agree with all of you. My pet peeve is when I hear Valerie Parr Hill say "at how" for everything. "Look at how this fits here". There is no need for the AT. I think the English language has gone down a messed up road. If I hear my children saying something incorrectly I mention it to them. My son says, "OK fine".
And then when everything is "literally". Jane T. does that a lot. OH, and that's another thing. A LOT is two words people, not one.
@luvmybeetle Your mention of VPH using "at how" reminds me of grammar school. Any time the nuns heard us end a sentence with "at" as in "Where's it at?" they would say "It's between the "a" and the "t".
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Mine would say "right before the at."
@jackiejenny Love that!
03-23-2023 08:24 PM - edited 08-18-2023 10:42 AM
@RespectLife If your school district (and those of your family) receives federal funding, has accredited schools, etc. then they will follow federally accepted & accredited Language Arts Skills/Standards. (e.g. Common Core)The standards for the schools may be found at your state's department of education website (or your district's education website if it differs from the state), and there you'll find the mandatory standards/skills/knowledge that are taught. They are extensive.
If a school is not accredited, then students' credits from that school may not be recognized at the next level school (e.g. high school credits to college), and students from that school might not qualify for federal financial aid. An estimated 2% of schools are not accredited; idk the level(s).
Accredited schools & federally funded schools have more complex & more complete standards in Language Arts than they did 15 years ago, along with critical thinking skills & other higher level thinking skills.
Spelling & grammar still count.
I think social media & technology have had an impact on whether or not students & adults apply the Language Arts skills they've learned.
03-23-2023 08:55 PM
@walkingal wrote:
@jackiejenny wrote:
@walkingal wrote:
@luvmybeetle wrote:I agree with all of you. My pet peeve is when I hear Valerie Parr Hill say "at how" for everything. "Look at how this fits here". There is no need for the AT. I think the English language has gone down a messed up road. If I hear my children saying something incorrectly I mention it to them. My son says, "OK fine".
And then when everything is "literally". Jane T. does that a lot. OH, and that's another thing. A LOT is two words people, not one.
@luvmybeetle Your mention of VPH using "at how" reminds me of grammar school. Any time the nuns heard us end a sentence with "at" as in "Where's it at?" they would say "It's between the "a" and the "t".
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Mine would say "right before the at."
@jackiejenny Love that!
Those were the days when spelling, sentence construction, punctuation, grammar, and cursive writing really mattered.
You would literally get left behind one grade if you didn't have those basics down.
I could almost cry when I see so many posters online who have no idea how to form a sentence. ( not here)
03-23-2023 09:29 PM
I agree that it is unkind if you make fun of someone or try to make them feel bad for not knowing something. However, it is not wrong to correct them in an attempt to help them be better educated. That can be done in a respectful way. Someone may not be "gifted," but we should expect them to be willing to improve.
As a college professor, I think it is important to make people better educated and better informed rather than allow them to continue with a lack of knowledge.
03-24-2023 02:22 AM
Our educational system has dummied the curriculum down so the dummies can feel smarter. I am well aware of this issue because I was a teacher.
03-24-2023 06:52 AM
@Calcgirl wrote:Our educational system has dummied the curriculum down so the dummies can feel smarter. I am well aware of this issue because I was a teacher.
Did you refer to some of your students as "dummies?" SMH
03-24-2023 08:16 AM
@rissajaneen wrote:
I agree that it is unkind if you make fun of someone or try to make them feel bad for not knowing something. However, it is not wrong to correct them in an attempt to help them be better educated. That can be done in a respectful way. Someone may not be "gifted," but we should expect them to be willing to improve.
As a college professor, I think it is important to make people better educated and better informed rather than allow them to continue with a lack of knowledge.
I agree with you to a degree. People should want to improve themselves. But who are we to expect them to live up to our own expectations.
One of the problems in today's society is that people expect others to live how they want. People don't accept others as they are but want to change them to meet their (often narrow) views.
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