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I usually buy 2 32oz Madagascar Bourbon Vanillas at a time. Apparently the storms have wiped out the beans and companies who had some stock piled were stolen. I had some in my cart on Amazon and it went from around $65 to $853 a few days ago. Can you imagine all the companies that use pure vanilla?

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I’m speechless...the last time I bought it I paid $86 for 32oz and I told myself I was crazy. 

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Thank is crazy I just looked up the Nielsen-Massey Bourbon Vanilla and the 24 ounce is 90 dollars, which I think is nuts, I have used their vanilla bean paste and it is great

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I'm going to start hoarding my vanilla ......

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I thought cows made milk, not vanilla.

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@Scooby Doo

 

 

Very funny.

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I heard the Grandmas Coffee Cake guy talking about the price of vanilla. It has really gotten so very expensive. I purchased Madagascar Vanilla Beans 2 years ago...25 beans was $19.99. Today, on Amazon, the same beans are $91.00. So, I guess I will just buy a bottle of good bourbon and make my own. The beans were vacuumed sealed, so they are still good to use. I figure a bottle of bourbon might cost me $20, but I’ll have enough vanilla for a good long time. There really is no substitute for good vanilla. I can tell the difference in baked goods that use a lesser quality brand.

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I found this on line it might explain the price increase -

 

Like everything else, the cost of vanilla is affected by supply and demand, and today the vanilla supply is down – WAY DOWN. The reasons will surprise you!

Tropical farmers who grow coffee, cacao, vanilla, sugar and a few other crops, constantly face fluctuating prices for their crops due to supply and demand. And because vanilla is by far the smallest of the tropical luxury crops, the vanilla industry faces dramatic fluctuations.

 

Between 2005 and early 2014, there was an overabundance of vanilla. As a result, the price for both green and cured, dried  vanilla dropped to very low levels.   Because farmers weren’t making enough to survive, many  finally burned their vanilla vines and switched to growing other crops. This eventually led to a vanilla shortage, and with the shortage of vanilla beans, prices shot through the roof!

During periods like this a “feeding frenzy” occurs as rumors abound, and the middlemen in vanilla-producing countries  take advantage of this opportunity to put more money in their pockets.

Middlemen force vanilla prices up

You’d think that when you see the cost of vanilla go up that the farmer would benefit, but that is not necessarily the case. To increase their margins, middlemen and those who invest in vanilla beans in vanilla producing countries, hold the beans off the market to force prices up.  The lowest level of middlemen are those who drive trucks into the bush to collect the beans and who start the vanilla curing and drying process. They don’t make a big profit so when there is a shortage they benefit for a change. It’s the bigger middlemen and speculators who make the lion’s share of the money. Unfortunately, as is the case in this current crisis, speculators who laundered money gained from selling illegally harvested rosewood, bought up the 2015 Madagascar crop, which was small, and later sold it at very high prices to manufacturers and traders who were desperate for beans.

The companies in industrialized countries  that depend on vanilla beans or extract either to sell or to use in manufacturing, will pay whatever they must to keep their businesses going.  The farmers may or may not benefit much from the higher prices. However, if they have continued to grow vanilla, they can finally earn a living wage or even a major windfall as the trickle-down of funds helps them.

How serious is the vanilla shortage?

Madagascar, the world’s largest producer of vanilla, is currently experiencing high tension and chaos, enough so that there are travel advisories to not visit certain areas of the country. The current hording and selling of bad vanilla makes the country quite volatile. While the Malagasy people are known for kindness and the country was considered safe most of the time, things have changed in the last five or so years and it is important to check with government posts before visiting.

The green vanilla beans, known as vrac, will come in to the processing houses, from the countryside beginning in May of 2017, which causes huge tension around prices.  While there is a good crop in Madagascar this year — somewhere in the range 2000 – 2300 metric tons — beans are being picked green as farmers and middlemen want to make as much money as possible off the crisis. This means the quality will be very poor.

In Papua New Guinea, a fairly new but significant producer of beans and ground vanilla bean powder, the normal crop is 350 metric tons or more. Because of the low prices for so many years, the farmers stopped growing vanilla but they’re back in the game and were producing excellent vanilla. We’re not sure what to expect with the new crop, however, as they are harvesting green beans as well to keep up with the demand and to make more cash while they can.

Mexico, which once provided the majority of the vanilla to the US, now only produces 30 – 35 metric tons of unprocessed vanilla a year at the most!  This vanilla is already promised a year in advance.

Farmers in other vanilla-producing countries who stopped growing vanilla have planted it again. By the time their vanilla beans are ready for market, the crisis may or may not be raging. At some point, however, there will be a glut and the prices will once again collapse.

Adding to the ongoing problems in the vanilla industry, many of the corporations who produce frozen desserts and dairy products, will switch to “other natural flavors,” (which actually means synthetic or imitation vanilla created from plant sources or from highly engineered yeast and DNA produced on a 3D printer), rather than pay the higher prices. When the prices drop, many will not switch back to using pure vanilla, further undercutting the industry.

There is more stability when a floor price is set for vanilla as it used to be in Madagascar. However, vanilla was deregulated in the early 1990s and we have seen swings such as the current one since then. It appears that the prices will be elevated at least through much of 2017, but there is no way to know this for sure or when prices will drop.

And what does this mean for bakers, bakeries, and lovers of sweet confections?

While the price increases will hit everyone’s pocketbooks, the cost of vanilla all by itself won’t actually drive up the cost of baking and the treats we love by a large margin. We will likely see an uptick in cost or, depending on the company, a switch to a cheaper brand of vanilla or even imitation. Artisan bakers and cooks would prefer to use the best because they know that cheaper quality ingredients means lower quality of the finished product. Unfortunately, given the current situation, quality is likely to drop.

Under normal circumstances we do our best to buy vanilla beans in bulk at fairly traded prices. This is true as well with our extracts (but also because we use 20% more vanilla bean extractives than required by law). However, during a crisis such as this one, all farmers are making more money and sourcing good vanilla beans is extremely difficult. As we cannot afford to purchase in large volume when prices exceed $500 a kilo, we purchase whatever is available. With the price increases, the farmers who have continued to grow vanilla – despite the low prices – will earn more. We at The Vanilla Company fully support this – even though our margin-of-profit drops. However, we do not support the cutting of green vanilla as traders, manufacturers and consumers lose because quality drops despite the high cost.

While higher prices can be a significant challenge for specialty food producers and for those of us who use vanilla in home baking and cooking, it’s important to keep in mind that as home bakers, you don’t use vanilla in cups, but in teaspoons and tablespoons. You don’t need to buy a lot! This is not the case for artisan producers of health products, bakery goods and chocolate, so high prices are a big challenge and products using vanilla become more expensive.

And, while it may stretch our budgets, higher prices mean that the families on farms who are currently producing vanilla will have more to eat or new shoes or the children can attend school and get medical care.

The downside, of course, is that high prices mean greater danger for the growers and small middlemen. They stand the risk of being robbed or even murdered for their money as the prices are so high that vanilla becomes as dangerous as selling illicit drugs.

Because vanilla is not traded on the International Commodities Market (coffee and chocolate are traded in millions of containers annually as opposed to less than 3000 tonnes), it doesn’t have the same protections as coffee and chocolate farmers have. When there is a glut of coffee, farmers are guaranteed a base price. This doesn’t exist for vanilla growers. (Until recently, cacao growers also were paid a base price, but that has been rescinded, placing smallholder cacao growers in a very compromised position.)

Help us save pure vanilla

During this very challenging time we at The Vanilla Company greatly appreciate your support. In addition to continuing to promote the use of pure vanilla, I continue to speak locally, nationally and internationally in a serious attempt to save pure vanilla from extinction. When the prices collapse, the cycle starts over again. At some point so many manufacturers will have shifted to imitations that the industry will die. I have committed to continue to fight for the survival of pure vanilla. It is my hope that you too will feel passionately enough about natural tropical products to support them through wise purchase

 

 

 

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This is a good article you found. It did help me to understand the increase in pricing.  Thanks.

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I saw those prices of over $20. at Amazon.  I stocked up at Vitacost.