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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

@Rockinista, if you've been called names, bullied, and stalked, then the offender(s) should be permanently banned. Those are egregious charges.


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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

@suzyQ3  It's ridiculous. It was a thread they started about a famous person. They're obsessed and when I opined differently I was called me vile, disgusting and worse. They're getting their own threads poofed.  More than one thread.

 

That's what I meant earlier, certain topics should be "fair game" and just because a poster irrationally idolizes someone or something doesn't give them the right to personally attack another poster who doesn't.  And they did it to others her besides me, because they know those posters they weren't as hard on them as me.

 

SPURT was nice enough to give me the information I need to take action if they continue.

 

In fact, it's just not one, but TWO of them following me and trying to antagonize me.  Let them try, maybe they'll get thrown off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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               This is a topic that resurfaces frequently, so I'll post basically what I wrote on another thread last year.  ​ Long, as usual... 🙃😉...  but I think it’s an important subject.  ​ 
               As others have said, it's not so much about what we post as it is about how we say it.  

               I feel that we've all too often taken an easy route of expressing our views in a disrespectful way and then we don't like it or we're puzzled when others recoil from our tone.   

               A repellent tone naturally will repel people.

               We can ​boast of being "brutally honest," "frank," "forthright," "blunt," etc., but these often are euphemisms (and excuses) for being harsh, insulting, and sometimes even cruel.   

               Strangely enough, ​here on the Community I've seen people mocked and ridiculed for being "nice," "kind," as if that's something to sneer at. ​  ​

               I'm astonished at some of the posts I see...  some very recently...  delivered with churlish barbs, or indulging in caustic smug sarcasm, sometimes personally directed toward other posters.    

               Just because we can be cruelly critical doesn't mean we should, but it's far easier to be nasty than to take time to be more mindful with our words, to be respectful and civil.   
               There's a reason "cheap shots" have that moniker.
               The presumption (is it wrong?) is that we express a perspective to offer it for others to consider, or at least for them to listen to and hear.
               I'm not saying that our goal always is that of changing minds...  sometimes we post a vent or rant, or just want to put some ideas out there.   
               But why post if we don't want at least someone to read and consider our view?​    ​
               If we ​indulge in mockery, ​if we try to ​demean, or debase the other person(s), ​or ​when we use sarcasm that drips with contempt​ and disdain, ​our perspective won't be heard, understood or considered.    Eyes and ears will be closed to us.
               Of course, if we don't care if anyone actually hears our opinion and we just want to slice and dice those who don't agree with us, that's another story.
               The anonymity of the internet allows a certain element of society to cower behind a nickname and get a certain​, perverse​ adrenaline rush from trying to insult others​ and from getting hearts and kudos when we do so​...  it's unfortunate but a fact of life.   
               Sometimes I think that might be the intent and motivation of a few, and that's sad ​but it's also an important clue to the reason we can't hold discussions about interesting topics​ -- we need to be mindful of whether we've actually done this to ourselves, since we're not entirely blameless.​
               I agree that we should all feel the same permission to post our opinions here, within the policies -- I also feel that it would be terrific if ​our goal could be to share good information and to allow everyone to walk away with their dignity intact, a win-win proposition.​thumbs up gif
 
               I have three quotes that I keep nearby (and have used as my siggy in the past) to try and remind myself to think more carefully about the way I interact with others.   (I admit that I don't always succeed, by the way, and sometimes my emotions and passion will get the best of me and cause me to me less than respectful, so I include myself in needing to "know better and do better," as Maya Angelou wrote.):

            "Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." ~Howard W. Newton

​            ​"You don't have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground. If you do, that shows how shaky your own position is.” ~Red Haircrow

            "Few things reveal your intellect and your generosity of spirit — the parallel powers of your heart and mind — better than how you give feedback."  ~Maria Popova
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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I just read the two Meghan threads. Wow and that’s all I’m saying.

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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@Spurt wrote:

 

 


@Rockinista 

 

Its hard to walk away but a wise person told me, some topics just walk away, you're not going to change their mind and they're not going to change yours.....

 

Sometimes the Moderators just lock a thread but without the message that its closed for commenting but you cant reply, or they will close something, or "move it" off the Forums but the mods will leave a note.  I never heard of them blocking a thread from just one person maybe thats something new.  That's something the Mods would need to answer.

 

From what my friend told me someone was stalking her and it was someone she never responded to. She thinks it was someone trolling the Forum. She called CS and they told her to use the Report Inappropriate function to report it....so she did...on all the stalkers nasty responses...but it was too many and then she got an email from QVC saying she had been suspended from the Forums, she called them and said she had followed instructions from CS....and they told her excessive reporting comes with a 3 day suspension nothing they could do..... she couldnt access the Forums at all until the suspension was up. 

 

Yes you can use the social team email, but don't use it to question or challenge their moderation, just state you have a concern and need their help.  But I would use this only on a serious matter like stalking.

 

You can also use the email us at the bottom of the website click Feedback. Leave the topic blank.

 

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The other Email US is for comments on delivery, payments,returns,shipping etc dont use that one.

 

 

Address for snail mail

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It is fun here and lots of interestings discussion, and Ive learned a lot too---scams to watch out for, product suggestions, IT advice, pet care, home decor ideas with photos, movie reviews, retail market discussions, workplace questions, QVC discussions, sports....etc etc

 

What I hate there will be an interesting discussin, different views, but everything is cordial, then out of the blue some mean person picks a fight and the whole thread gets shut down Woman Frustrated

 

Have a good day!

 


 

              @Spurt,  As usual, you're so thoughtful to offer so much wisdom and good information!❤️ 

               I want to add...   before we start reporting, it's a good idea to remember that the deleted posts and threads are not actually erased from the website.      

               The comments/discussions are moved to another restricted-access area, and the moderators can read them after the fact.   

               So, if we complain about threads or posts, the QVC Social Team can access the "deleted" conversations and review the the actual remarks as part of their investigation into complaints.   I believe they also can review the "report inappropriate" flags associated with each individual posting account.   

               I think it's good to be mindful of this, to be accurate in any complaints we decide to file.

 

 

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

@dooBdoo   I really enjoyed reading you're post and I agree with most all of it.  Too bad it's not mandatory reading for everyone here.

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@Spurt wrote:

@suzyQ3 wrote:

Yet again, there are those who simply don't understand message boards. People will reply to others. That is NOT a matter of telling people that they shouldn't have a certain  belief or opinion. It is 99 percent of the time mere disagreement. And yes, the back and forth can get a little rough.

 

If this is so unbearable, then message boards are not for you.

 


@suzyQ3 

 

There are Guidelines and Standards that should be followed to keep the Forums a pleasant place and helps to keep it from getting rough.  And this is where the Moderators get involved..... 

 

  • Personal attacks are not allowed - Don't attack or insult another Community member. It's not helpful and it doesn't make for a friendly place. This includes calling other members names. Disagreement is no excuse for poor manners and we will not allow frustration to turn into a personal attack.

 


 

               To add to that, @Spurt, the Standards for Participation state this:

 

"Be respectful and courteous to others, even if you disagree with them. 

Do not use language or post content that is unkind or in poor taste or engage in personal attacks."

 

"Keep your postings relevant to the topic. 

This makes it easier for others to follow the conversation."

 

"Please do not... 

          --  engage in harassing, threatening, abusive, violent, discriminatory (racist, sexist, etc.), hostile, or defamatory language or behavior that would be considered inappropriate by any rational person;

          --  use language or post content that is profane, sexually explicit, obscene, pornographic, vulgar, or offensive..."

 

(edited to add:   Apologies for not writing this well -- this is additional information for those who might not have seen the 2 areas in which standards and guidelines are posted.   @suzyQ3 and @Spurt  are thoughtful and respectful posters, and neither one would suggest that we set aside the policies.❤️)

 

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


@Rockinista wrote:

@suzyQ3  It's ridiculous. It was a thread they started about a famous person. They're obsessed and when I opined differently I was called me vile, disgusting and worse. They're getting their own threads poofed.  More than one thread.

 

That's what I meant earlier, certain topics should be "fair game" and just because a poster irrationally idolizes someone or something doesn't give them the right to personally attack another poster who doesn't.  And they did it to others her besides me, because they know those posters they weren't as hard on them as me.

 

SPURT was nice enough to give me the information I need to take action if they continue.

 

In fact, it's just not one, but TWO of them following me and trying to antagonize me.  Let them try, maybe they'll get thrown off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


You're talking about the Fashions of the Royals threads? 

 

Yeah. I had posters saying that I had an agenda because I like Meghan Markke's style and dislike Cathy Cambridge's style. Smiley Happy  

A couple even attributed someone else's post (quoted another's post and attached my name to it) to prove that I was trolling, "stirring" and contradicting myself for fun.  Nope. Wasn't me.  Never waffled in my opinion about their clothes.  Others piled on. Only one person pointed out that I was not the author of said quote. 

 

Even if I had been, so what? My opinion. 

Where do people get off telling you how you should state your opinion? A lot of hypocrisy on these boards. 

Just ignore them and continue posting your opinions in your way, without hurling personal insults at individuals on these boards.  I can't, for the life of me, understand why people get so bent out of shape and protective about public figures that they don't even know. 

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Re: Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Everyone who posts here should be allowed, no, must be allowed to express their opinions freely, within the Standards.

 

Just reiterating the OP's original thoughts.