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01-12-2018 06:48 PM
Loved the beautiful Sugar Maple trees back in central NY. Great shade trees in summer, awesome colors in fall. We had one large one on our front lawn that I grew from a sapling. Down here I like the stately Royal Palms that line streets down here. Fort Myers is called the City of Palms for good reason. And yes---they do hold up in hurricanes.
01-14-2018 01:22 PM
Think of trees that will not raise sidewalks or damage curbs.
Some very nice street trees are Little Leaf Linden
male clone labeled Ginko Biloba
Amalanchier or Serviceberry
Zelkova
thornless honey locust
Ornamental Kwanzan cherry is a good street tree.
Ornamental pear is not recommended due to (1) overplanting, (2) narrow branch crotches that cause the tree branches & trunks to split in high wind storms, now they have a rust on the leaves due to junipers acting as a vector for the spread of that fungus here.
Try Ivory Silk lilac tree as a street tree.
01-14-2018 02:05 PM - edited 01-14-2018 02:07 PM
@JustJazzmom wrote:Think of trees that will not raise sidewalks or damage curbs.
Some very nice street trees are Little Leaf Linden
male clone labeled Ginko Biloba
Amalanchier or Serviceberry
Zelkova
thornless honey locust
Ornamental Kwanzan cherry is a good street tree.
Ornamental pear is not recommended due to (1) overplanting, (2) narrow branch crotches that cause the tree branches & trunks to split in high wind storms, now they have a rust on the leaves due to junipers acting as a vector for the spread of that fungus here.
Try Ivory Silk lilac tree as a street tree.
Thanks for the list, @JustJazzmom
My community is bound and determined to cut down the fruiting olives we've had for over 40 years. The past couple of years they have not been attended to (I am beginning to think on purpose) so some people are clamoring to cut them down.
I've found a transplanting service that will remove them wholly, partial roots and all (olives can withstand such treatment, as you likely know). The only drawback is if they are too close to any utility lines.
I do not like the idea of removing a lot of canopy all at once, thus the research into transplanting.
We will need some replacements so of course we are concerned with litter (especially fruit) but would you believe some people even complain about flower drop!!
Although saplings surely do not offer equivalent benefits as a mature tree does. It'll take many years before their benefits are equalized.
I'd also like some attractiveness to birds and pollinators in general so ginkgo is not a good option. Ginkgo doesn't support any local wild creatures.
I have some of your other options on my current list I've been researching. My local nursery says the modern ornamental pears are not as brittle or problematic as the older ones, although even the new ones would not be a first choice. We already have one street lined with 40-year old ornamental pears of those earlier varieties.
I am very tempted to recommend the little leaf linden as one of our options in honor of all the environmental destruction happening currently in Sheffield, England. Have you read about it?
01-14-2018 02:30 PM - edited 01-14-2018 02:38 PM
The big problem with all pear trees is their narrow branch crotches. Newer hybrids might be wider but they have been over planted & when this happens it is creating a monoculture which can fall victim to insects or disease or both. This is what’s happening now with ornamental pears — wind blown fungus travels far & wide.
Also take into mind that a larger tree is not going to grow as rapidly as an immature tree. It’s been found that within several years of planting, immature trees have caught up & surpassed mature trees planted at the same time.
Google wire friendly trees for more options if utility wires are where you want to plant.
I haven’t read about the Sheffield, England situation with lindens. Remember that a linden across the ocean might not be the same genetically than ones grown here.
A rat study in NYC was done re: genetic diversity & it was found that the downtown rats were different genetically than the uptown rats. If this diversity can occur on an island a mile long, it can definitely happen to trees which have less complex genes than mammals separated by oceans & on one side of a land mass vs. another.
01-14-2018 02:41 PM
My comment about being close to utility lines has only to do with removal by the machine equipment. It has nothing to do with replanting. We are not planting under utility lines as we do not have overhead power lines in our neighborhood. The lines for cable tv, telephone, electricity, etc. are underground.
Yes, I am aware of growth rate as well as being aware of the different types of trees here vs. England. I am well aware of diversity. I thought I made all that clear. I have an extensive background in horticulture.
01-14-2018 03:12 PM
I type not for those with lots of gardening experience but for those with limited experience as well.
01-14-2018 06:08 PM
This is the same answer you gave me quite some time ago when I was attempting a conversation with you.
Perhaps I can get you to understand that if you are actually responding to an individual, you might want to acknowledge a particular individual has data or experience. (Especially since I actually did spell out quite a lot of specifics that you may not have noticed.)
We are not generic on here. I am an individual as is every one of us posting here. We are not the Borg.
If you are giving generic information, then you might want to preface your words with that explanation.
01-14-2018 06:37 PM
So let me say this, if you are with a lot of experience in horticulture, you can ignore what I have to say.
01-14-2018 11:26 PM
@DiAnne----Did you live in the LongBeach/Lakewood area? There were many Jacaranda that were beautiful to look at, but SUPER messy.---------tedEbear
01-14-2018 11:43 PM
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