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I've done a little more research when we were discussing the 'Gruss an Aachen'. I have the floribunda version and there is a climber version as well which was created by William J.H. Kordes II -- could this be a relative of the Kordes family in Germany that have created disease resistance roses? Roses Unlimited sells the climbing version of this named rose, but they are two different roses-- one discovered in 1909 and the other discovered in 1937.
I got my Gruss an Aachen from Chamblee's and they have it listed as a floribunda introduced in 1909.
From Help Me Find.com: it lists Gruss an Aachen (the 1909 one) as a Hybrid Tea, floribunda and a polyantha.
From another website: Floribundas resulted from crossing Polyantha (clustered sprays of flowers in one stem) and Hybrid tea (shapely and larger single flower per stem) roses in an attempt to combine the characteristics of both parental types. 'Gruss an Aachen' successfully reflects the desirable characteristics of its parents ('Frau Karl Druschki' x 'Franz Deegan') in one plant - multiple blooms per stem with larger shapely flowers.
On that Help Me Find page: Sam Kedem says 'Gruss an Aachen' is considered to be the first floribunda rose. The color of the blooms varies with the temperature.
This might be the reason for the various colors we are seeing on this rose. Its the same rose but because of temperature variation where we live-- we are seeing different colors!! Who knew??? 
I'm very happy with this rose and the colors of the rose.
@JustJazzmom wrote:
I've done a little more research when we were discussing the 'Gruss an Aachen'. I have the floribunda version and there is a climber version as well which was created by William J.H. Kordes II -- could this be a relative of the Kordes family in Germany that have created disease resistance roses? Roses Unlimited sells the climbing version of this named rose, but they are two different roses-- one discovered in 1909 and the other discovered in 1937.
I got my Gruss an Aachen from Chamblee's and they have it listed as a floribunda introduced in 1909.
From Help Me Find.com: it lists Gruss an Aachen (the 1909 one) as a Hybrid Tea, floribunda and a polyantha.
From another website: Floribundas resulted from crossing Polyantha (clustered sprays of flowers in one stem) and Hybrid tea (shapely and larger single flower per stem) roses in an attempt to combine the characteristics of both parental types. 'Gruss an Aachen' successfully reflects the desirable characteristics of its parents ('Frau Karl Druschki' x 'Franz Deegan') in one plant - multiple blooms per stem with larger shapely flowers.
On that Help Me Find page: Sam Kedem says 'Gruss an Aachen' is considered to be the first floribunda rose. The color of the blooms varies with the temperature.
This might be the reason for the various colors we are seeing on this rose. Its the same rose but because of temperature variation where we live-- we are seeing different colors!! Who knew???
I'm very happy with this rose and the colors of the rose.
Wonderful information, Jazzmom, thank you. I know that in cooler weather roses can bloom darker. The one I have is not own root, so am constantly having to cut off the root stalk which is voracious and shoots up much taller than the bush.
Remember the pink rose that arose on an Iceberg bush? Well, it has completely taken over and there is no sign of Iceberg. I am sending another picture and email, and requesting a replacement Iceberg. I havn't heard from them for two weeks, but I am persistent.
@mousiegirl wrote:
@JustJazzmom wrote:
I've done a little more research when we were discussing the 'Gruss an Aachen'. I have the floribunda version and there is a climber version as well which was created by William J.H. Kordes II -- could this be a relative of the Kordes family in Germany that have created disease resistance roses? Roses Unlimited sells the climbing version of this named rose, but they are two different roses-- one discovered in 1909 and the other discovered in 1937.
I got my Gruss an Aachen from Chamblee's and they have it listed as a floribunda introduced in 1909.
From Help Me Find.com: it lists Gruss an Aachen (the 1909 one) as a Hybrid Tea, floribunda and a polyantha.
From another website: Floribundas resulted from crossing Polyantha (clustered sprays of flowers in one stem) and Hybrid tea (shapely and larger single flower per stem) roses in an attempt to combine the characteristics of both parental types. 'Gruss an Aachen' successfully reflects the desirable characteristics of its parents ('Frau Karl Druschki' x 'Franz Deegan') in one plant - multiple blooms per stem with larger shapely flowers.
On that Help Me Find page: Sam Kedem says 'Gruss an Aachen' is considered to be the first floribunda rose. The color of the blooms varies with the temperature.
This might be the reason for the various colors we are seeing on this rose. Its the same rose but because of temperature variation where we live-- we are seeing different colors!! Who knew???
I'm very happy with this rose and the colors of the rose.
Wonderful information, Jazzmom, thank you. I know that in cooler weather roses can bloom darker. The one I have is not own root, so am constantly having to cut off the root stalk which is voracious and shoots up much taller than the bush.
Remember the pink rose that arose on an Iceberg bush? Well, it has completely taken over and there is no sign of Iceberg. I am sending another picture and email, and requesting a replacement Iceberg. I havn't heard from them for two weeks, but I am persistent.
What company are you requesting replacement from again??
Sounds definitely like graft failure; another reason to have own root roses as much as possible.
Funny, I had a relative of Iceberg called Moondance from J&P and unfortunately it did get blackspot. Now I have another 'white' rose in its place called 'La Perla'.
I was chatting with my Rosarian friend and we were discussing disease resistance not being across the board for certain roses. Some roses will have disease resistance in one area of the country while in another the people there are scratching their heads and saying, 'What?'
'Carefree Beauty' is the control rose used by Texas A & M for their Earth Kind trial gardens. Where we are, that rose is the worst in terms of disease resistance-- it has blackspot, leaf drop... Yet in Texas this rose is disease resistant.
Another story-- David Austin created these beautiful English roses and when they crossed the pond, he kept hearing from the Americans-- great rose but it gets blackspot!! He had to go back to the drawing board to create more disease resistant roses for the US Market.It seems blackspot is a rare thing in the UK for roses. Who knows with changing climate conditions, this may start to occur there as well.
@JustJazzmom wrote:
@mousiegirl wrote:
@JustJazzmom wrote:
I've done a little more research when we were discussing the 'Gruss an Aachen'. I have the floribunda version and there is a climber version as well which was created by William J.H. Kordes II -- could this be a relative of the Kordes family in Germany that have created disease resistance roses? Roses Unlimited sells the climbing version of this named rose, but they are two different roses-- one discovered in 1909 and the other discovered in 1937.
I got my Gruss an Aachen from Chamblee's and they have it listed as a floribunda introduced in 1909.
From Help Me Find.com: it lists Gruss an Aachen (the 1909 one) as a Hybrid Tea, floribunda and a polyantha.
From another website: Floribundas resulted from crossing Polyantha (clustered sprays of flowers in one stem) and Hybrid tea (shapely and larger single flower per stem) roses in an attempt to combine the characteristics of both parental types. 'Gruss an Aachen' successfully reflects the desirable characteristics of its parents ('Frau Karl Druschki' x 'Franz Deegan') in one plant - multiple blooms per stem with larger shapely flowers.
On that Help Me Find page: Sam Kedem says 'Gruss an Aachen' is considered to be the first floribunda rose. The color of the blooms varies with the temperature.
This might be the reason for the various colors we are seeing on this rose. Its the same rose but because of temperature variation where we live-- we are seeing different colors!! Who knew???
I'm very happy with this rose and the colors of the rose.
Wonderful information, Jazzmom, thank you. I know that in cooler weather roses can bloom darker. The one I have is not own root, so am constantly having to cut off the root stalk which is voracious and shoots up much taller than the bush.
Remember the pink rose that arose on an Iceberg bush? Well, it has completely taken over and there is no sign of Iceberg. I am sending another picture and email, and requesting a replacement Iceberg. I havn't heard from them for two weeks, but I am persistent.
What company are you requesting replacement from again??
Sounds definitely like graft failure; another reason to have own root roses as much as possible.
Funny, I had a relative of Iceberg called Moondance from J&P and unfortunately it did get blackspot. Now I have another 'white' rose in its place called 'La Perla'.
I was chatting with my Rosarian friend and we were discussing disease resistance not being across the board for certain roses. Some roses will have disease resistance in one area of the country while in another the people there are scratching their heads and saying, 'What?'
'Carefree Beauty' is the control rose used by Texas A & M for their Earth Kind trial gardens. Where we are, that rose is the worst in terms of disease resistance-- it has blackspot, leaf drop... Yet in Texas this rose is disease resistant.
Another story-- David Austin created these beautiful English roses and when they crossed the pond, he kept hearing from the Americans-- great rose but it gets blackspot!! He had to go back to the drawing board to create more disease resistant roses for the US Market.It seems blackspot is a rare thing in the UK for roses. Who knows with changing climate conditions, this may start to occur there as well.
I have had a lot of black spot, rust, and mildew this year from supposedly disease resistant roses, but the weather has been crazy here, so that is the reason, I think.
The Iceberg is on it's own root, from Heirloom roses. I bought eight for a specific planting in my driveway patch, so now am short one since the pink rose took over. It must be a parent or sport, but I doubt Heirloom will know the answer. It is my Gruss an Aachen that is grafted, decades ago.
The reason I became enamored with the English roses, decades ago, was because they pretty much took care of themselves, unlike Tea roses, never had any problems, but this year, as Shirley Temple used to say, "oh my gooness!"
I'm trying to think why an own root would begin putting out a pink rose instead of the white it was.
I see one of its parents is Robin Hood, a hybrid musk that is pink in color and Virgo, a white hybrid tea is the other parent.
Is that Iceberg, reverting back to being 'Robin Hood'?
Robin Hood rose
@JustJazzmom wrote:
I'm trying to think why an own root would begin putting out a pink rose instead of the white it was.
I see one of its parents is Robin Hood, a hybrid musk that is pink in color and Virgo, a white hybrid tea is the other parent.
Is that Iceberg, reverting back to being 'Robin Hood'?
Robin Hood rose
That is the mystery, that it is supposedly own root and this has happened. I posted a picture of the pink rose on page 13.
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