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[stazgirl]

On 10/17/2014 Tinkrbl44 said:

On 10/16/2014 rina33 said:

On 10/16/2014 Tinkrbl44 said:

I still think that ANYONE in their 80's having ANY kind of procedure that requires ANY type of anesthesia should be done in a top rate hospital .... NOT a clinic.

Well, I know this is going to make some people MAD, but if I were Melissa, I'd sue the anesthesiologist for giving an 82 yr. old woman Propofol.

Is there an AGE LIMIT to administering Propofol?

If so, did the MD exceed the recommended age limit with Joan?

If not, and it's widely accepted as an anesthesia, then Melissa doesn't have a case with that as the reason for suing.

Ther is NO age limit for propofol.. It is a commonly used and very safe drug. People die unexpectedly in surgery . the older you get, the more common it is. There is no reason that her procedure could not be done at a clinic or a surgicenter. It is a minor and commonly done procedure.

[millieshops]

My wish for Joan would have been a longer life, a healthy life.

However, the older I get, the closer to 81 which was my own mother's final year, the more aware I am that there are no "minor" procedures but also no guarantees. I think Joan knew that, knew there were risks in choosing to have the procedure or in choosing to have it elsewhere or even in choosing not to have it at all! She knew, I believe that with all my heart.

My wish now is for Joan's family - that they can find peace for themselves- and that part of that peace will be the strength to use the fortune she worked so hard amassing to continue her legacy in a way that honors her values.

[stazgirl]

On 10/17/2014 ssssgirl said:

On 10/17/2014 Tinkrbl44 said:

On 10/16/2014 rina33 said:

On 10/16/2014 Tinkrbl44 said:

I still think that ANYONE in their 80's having ANY kind of procedure that requires ANY type of anesthesia should be done in a top rate hospital .... NOT a clinic.

Well, I know this is going to make some people MAD, but if I were Melissa, I'd sue the anesthesiologist for giving an 82 yr. old woman Propofol.

Is there an AGE LIMIT to administering Propofol?

If so, did the MD exceed the recommended age limit with Joan?

If not, and it's widely accepted as an anesthesia, then Melissa doesn't have a case with that as the reason for suing.

Ther is NO age limit for propofol.. It is a commonly used and very safe drug. People die unexpectedly in surgery . the older you get, the more common it is. There is no reason that her procedure could not be done at a clinic or a surgicenter. It is a minor and commonly done procedure, but ANY surgery comes with risks, and the older you get, the more risks there are, HOWEVER, that still does not warrant something being done "only in a hospital".

[elated]

TMZ is reporting the following;

Someone did something wrong in the medical procedure that led to Joan Rivers' death ... this according to one source involved in the investigation.

The Medical Examiner has said the death was the result of a therapeutic, predictable complication. Sources tell us ... the complication did NOT involve the Propofol administered to Joan. The complication was the result of the procedure itself.

The source connected to the investigation tells TMZ ... the procedure was actually completed when Joan suffered brain damage from a lack of oxygen.

Our source says there were no "underlying causes or contributing factors" involving Joan's health, and it appears someone was at fault. There's still an investigation and a big issue is whether her oxygen levels were being properly monitored.

We're told people in Joan's life have keyed in on the word "predictable" ... they think it could be a focal point in a possible malpractice action because predictable could also mean preventable.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3GQMWEnAI

[stazgirl]

On 10/17/2014 elated said:

TMZ is reporting the following;

Someone did something wrong in the medical procedure that led to Joan Rivers' death ... this according to one source involved in the investigation.

The Medical Examiner has said the death was the result of a therapeutic, predictable complication. Sources tell us ... the complication did NOT involve the Propofol administered to Joan. The complication was the result of the procedure itself.

The source connected to the investigation tells TMZ ... the procedure was actually completed when Joan suffered brain damage from a lack of oxygen.

Our source says there were no "underlying causes or contributing factors" involving Joan's health, and it appears someone was at fault. There's still an investigation and a big issue is whether her oxygen levels were being properly monitored.

We're told people in Joan's life have keyed in on the word "predictable" ... they think it could be a focal point in a possible malpractice action because predictable could also mean preventable.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3GQMWEnAI

I LOVE "sources" There are HIPPA violations, That source, if wrong, or right for that matter, better hope no one ever finds out who they are, they will have fines to pay for
talking about ANYTHING in Joan's medical record. ALSO, "predictable" does not necessarily mean the same as "preventable"

[shoekitty]

On 10/17/2014 elated said:

TMZ is reporting the following;

Someone did something wrong in the medical procedure that led to Joan Rivers' death ... this according to one source involved in the investigation.

The Medical Examiner has said the death was the result of a therapeutic, predictable complication. Sources tell us ... the complication did NOT involve the Propofol administered to Joan. The complication was the result of the procedure itself.

The source connected to the investigation tells TMZ ... the procedure was actually completed when Joan suffered brain damage from a lack of oxygen.

Our source says there were no "underlying causes or contributing factors" involving Joan's health, and it appears someone was at fault. There's still an investigation and a big issue is whether her oxygen levels were being properly monitored.

We're told people in Joan's life have keyed in on the word "predictable" ... they think it could be a focal point in a possible malpractice action because predictable could also mean preventable.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3GQMWEnAI

ITA That's what I thought. Of course things always go wrong. I have known people of a young age to have a reaction to drug they never had before, or a problem prior to surgery that went undetected. When I sign a surgery release it is scary, they list brain damage, and death as complications. No one, but no one wants anyone to die during surgery, and certainly not for such a minor procedure.!! It CAN happen, and did in this case. If she was without oxygen for a while (long enough to send her into a coma) I just wonder how the oxygen levels were being monitored. This is a legitimate question.

[blossompie]

On 10/17/2014 ibb38 said:

Joan did have an autopsy- the results were inconclusive. Jewish custom [I imagine] didn't concern her since she was cremated.

Hmmmm I read an autopsy was performed before cremation. When somebody suddenly dies and there's an investigation it's the law that it must be done

[blossompie]

The clinic has three months to show evidence their facility is adequate to practice. As of Jan 15th they are being shut down unless they have a valid case to stop the closing

[hopeQ1]

It revealed nothing we didn't already know the day after her procedure. Let it rest.

[hopeQ1]

All of you are at it again, just like when Joan died. so much misinformation and speculation. You are adding your opinions to partial truths, and it all is coming out wrong. Poor Joan doesn't deserve this.

No one is covering their behind. The procedure she had is commonly done in the type of office she was in, and propofol is the correct drug of choice used.

She had a coronary and breathing problem, and signed consent for the normal risk factor. Her age also was a factor. Nothing inappropriate happened. Unfortunately, she had an airway obstruction to begin with.

If she had been lying on an operating room table, nothing much else could have been done to save her. Laryngospasms occur, and you can't undo them.

You all keep trying to blame the physician and medical facility, when in truth Joan felt comfortable selecting both as she had been there before, and she agree to have it done and signed off on it.In truth, it being her choice she was mostly in charge herself, so you need to look at her instead of trying to blame others.

BTW, propofol DID not KILL Michael Jackson. His Physician did by overdosing him on it when he already had too many sedatives and respiratory depressants in his system that Michael had taken himself, and he wasn't at that point aware of. He would have needed a tox screen to know.

I get so sick and tired of you lay people stating things you don't know as fact. You use misinformation about these celebs and start all types of arguments and talk about family and physicians as if you were there. Unless you know fact, you'd be better off being kind and quiet. All of these lies are just hurtful to Melissa, Cooper and Joan. What does it gain you to be such busy-bodies ?