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The importance of having a current backup

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I do a backup on the first of each month.  It's a good thing because my iMac died this morning.  I was in the middle of saving a document when the  screen went black and it won't turn on.  It's either the power supply, hard drive or motherboard which vary in price to replace.  It's 8 years old so I'm leaning towards a replacement.  My only hesitation is, will my games work with the new operating system?  While I have added photos and douments since the last backup, most of my stuff was saved. 

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You have inspired me to do a backup today! My iMac is 5 years old and I'm sure isn't long for the world. The iPhones last 3-4 years at the most before they slow down to nothing by an impotent battery life. 

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I wouldn't send an 8-year-old computer in for a repair, but a quick visit to ifixit.com might give you the guidance you need to fix it yourself. Getting the parts for Apple computers is often more of a challenge as Apple doesn't typically supply them and you're relegated to buying parts either salvaged from scrap computers or unauthorized parts. It makes the repair costs for Apple computers much higher. To fix a broken Mac you typically have to have a comparable working Mac to steal parts from. Used Macs retain their value somewhat because of this as those trying to fix them need the parts. Apple is now putting digital serial numbers into parts also that the computer has to read and verify they're authentic before they'll work. This has created a whole new class of tools that can read the serial numbers off of the broken part and insert it into the new part.

 

Automatic backups to the cloud are handy for photos and documents. I automatically back up photos to the Amazon, Google, and Microsoft clouds and documents go to Google and Microsoft.clouds. Word has an autosave feature that does a very nice job.

 

Figuring out the problem is the first big hiccup. In a perfect world it's something simple like a power cable. (In the PC world a whole lot of "dead" computers are dead because someone hit the power switch on the back of the computer's power supply unit disabling the power supply without knowing it. Every computer tech in the world knows to look for that first when a "dead" computer is presented to them.) If you've got it plugged into a power strip or UPS/surge protector, checking it in a different outlet is always wise. Those can fail. I would seriously doubt it's the hard drive. A computer will generally POST (power-on self-test) even with no hard drive. When a computer is totally dead, the power supply is typically a good bet. It could be a motherboard, but it wouldn't be my first suspect.

 

If the hard drive was spinning up and the fans were working, I'd think the video card could be the issue. There's a brain-dead computer "expert" on YouTube who wasted way too much of my time as he spent hours (literally) troubleshooting a computer that had no video output but everything else worked. The case fans worked, the CPU cooler worked, the hard drives spun up and worked. His first step was the check and replace the memory. Uh, no. He then replaced the CMOS battery on the motherboard. Uh, no again. A computer will POST even without memory. It'll fail the POST as there's no memory, but it will POST. And the CMOS battery simply stores the BIOS settings and runs the computer's clock. It has nothing to do with the video out. He then refreshed the BIOS. Once again, the BIOS would not cause the issue he was supposedly troubleshooting. I was screaming at my TV by now. "It's the video card or the video card slot, you moron!" It was the video card slot. The PCIe slots tend to be a tad fragile and this one arrived with the hold-down clip of the slot already dislodged which should have been one heck of a clue to him, but no. It took over four hours for him to figure it out, but eventually, he did. The cheap and easy solution was to just move the video card to another PCIe slot on the motherboard, but instead, he replaced the motherboard and was thrilled that he could save the customer's computer. Yeah. It was a job that should have taken all of ten minutes and cost nothing. He made it into a marathon of how not to troubleshoot a computer.

 

In your case, assuming you have good power to the computer, my money would be on the power supply. Older Apple motherboards were generally fairly reliable. (Newer ones are not nearly as reliable.) It could be the CPU. Most CPUs have an effective life of 3-4 years before they're outdated. CPU's that are on 24 hours a day and under a load have a lifespan of about 8-10 years. The typical home used CPU should survive 20-30 years before it dies. That's assuming it's only on for a few hours a day and not under a load 24/7. If I had to bet, I'd say the power supply was the issue. Is it worth fixing it in an eight-year-old computer? That's something you have to decide. 

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Re: The importance of having a current backup

@glb613

It is nice you are proactive.

It is time to go shopping online to Apple. 

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Ha!  Earlier this month, out of the blue, I was asked for a document from 2011 for a nonprofit board I was on.

 

Almost asked what it was worth.

 

Dont know why people don't backup.

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"My only hesitation is, will my games work with the new operating system?"

Check your games compatibility on this website:  COPY PASTE--> roaringapps.com/apps

 

Don't forget Apple has a "refurbish" website:  COPY PASTE---> apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/imac

Refurbished Macs has the same warranty as "new" Macs.  You can also purchase AppleCare.

 

 

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Gardenman, it's in the shop to have hard drive removed and I've order a new iMac.  It had been running really slow and I knew something was wrong.  Unfortunately, iMacs are in a case which is glued together and very difficult to open.  I'm gettig the hard drive back and depending on the type, I may have an external enclosure to put it in and access it. 

 

I have to admit, I've never owned a computer for 8 years.  When I was using windows computers, it seemed like I was buying a new one every 2-3 years due to a new operating system was released.  I also have vision loss and I think the Retina display will help.  I know it does with my Macbook Pro. 

 

I really worked the iMac and I'm surprised it lasted this long.  I just wish I didn't have to wait 4 weeks to get the new one.  I checked at Best Buy and the one I want isn't available for over 250 miles from where I live. 

 

I have a question.  If I do a restore from a backup, will it change the operating system? 

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@glb613 wrote:

Gardenman, it's in the shop to have hard drive removed and I've order a new iMac.  It had been running really slow and I knew something was wrong.  Unfortunately, iMacs are in a case which is glued together and very difficult to open.  I'm gettig the hard drive back and depending on the type, I may have an external enclosure to put it in and access it. 

 

I have to admit, I've never owned a computer for 8 years.  When I was using windows computers, it seemed like I was buying a new one every 2-3 years due to a new operating system was released.  I also have vision loss and I think the Retina display will help.  I know it does with my Macbook Pro. 

 

I really worked the iMac and I'm surprised it lasted this long.  I just wish I didn't have to wait 4 weeks to get the new one.  I checked at Best Buy and the one I want isn't available for over 250 miles from where I live. 

 

I have a question.  If I do a restore from a backup, will it change the operating system? 


Operating systems are built to be resilient so doing a restore from backup shouldn't affect the OS on your new computer. If you fully mirrored your old hard drive including the old OS then you might end up with two operating systems on the computer at once, which, at least in the Windows world, isn't a huge issue. My current desktop can boot to Windows 10, or Vista which was on my old hard drive that I put into the new build depending on which drive I set as the boot drive in the BIOS. Both work fine.

 

You might want to dump the whole restored backup into a separate folder and then sort things where you want them later. That should keep both operating systems segregated. Your computer should boot to the newer OS that's factory installed and ignore the old one as long as it's in a separate folder.

 

If you find your games not working and your backup with the old OS is on a bootable device (like a portable hard drive) you can change the boot order and then reboot the new computer using the backup device as the boot drive and it may load your old OS and let you play your games. To change the boot order you'd click on the Apple menu, then "System preferences", then under the system icon click on "Startup Disk" and you should/might be able to boot from the backup device using the old OS if your new computer recognizes the backup device as a bootable drive. (Though there could be driver related issues with the newer hardware.) You could swap back and forth on the operating systems by changing the boot order and rebooting.

 

I typically get seven years of use from a computer before upgrading. A few of the components in my current build are over fifteen years old. I don't replace a perfectly good case, optical drive, harddrive, power supply, case fans, etc. As long as they work I just toss them into the new build. I'll replace the motherboard, CPU, and RAM, but generally keep everything else as long as it's still working. That lets me have a "new" computer at a fairly low price. My current build is about four years old, so it'll likely be a few more years before another rebuild. It does absolutely everything I need it to do with no issues. Most of the time the CPU maxes out at ten to twenty percent utilization, so it's not slowing me down any.

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I have backups which I can access each individual folders.  The backup I did on the first is a backup file the time machine would use to restore the computer to its condition the day it was done.  I'm going to call Apple before I proceed just to make sure. 

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I still use my clickfree.

 

I don't rarely have new documents or photos to store on my laptop, so I only do an update quarterly. 

 

But it's good to have a calendar reminder to make sure you have everything backed up somewhere.

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