Community Chat

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@HappyDaze wrote:

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@Topaz Gem wrote:

We also have to remember that many of the French terrorists were born and raised in France.  Bystanders said they spoke perfect French with no accent.  Yet, they turned against their own country to participate in these attacks, killing scores of their own friends and neighbors.  

These terrorists have no allegiance to their countries in any way, even after being treated kindly by France (U.S., Great Britain, etc.).  Just look at the crazy, fun-loving Tsarnaev brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon.  They took, took, took, from the U.S. (welfare, food stamps, free education, room and board) you name it, yet they didn't bat an eyelash when it was time to bomb us.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!  We are not going to change the hearts and minds of terrorists by being nice to them.  They will exploit us and laugh in our faces.

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So with that said, we probably already have terrorists amongst us and those who think we are safe just by not letting in Syrian refugees are only putting their heads in the sand. However, you can choose to let fear control you or not. It really is a choice. That is the point of terrorism- to put fear in your hearts and mind and if you allow it, then the terrorists have done their job and, essentially, won.

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The problem is not the actual Syrian refugees that are coming with good intentions. It is the terrorist mixed in with them that is the problem. Do you actually believe these Gov or anyone who agrees with them are against Innocent refugees? Btw, not one Yazidi refugee has been allowed in the US. Why no outcry for them?

[HappyDaze]

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@MaggieMack wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

Do any of you live in a state where your Gov said no to refugees? 

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My gov definitely got a lot of inquiries about it, he came out today and said that to the best of his knowledge no refugees are planned for our state and he wouldn't deal with it until given notice that they would be coming. Which is odd, because the State Dept map clearly shows two towns/cities in our state to be receivers.

Federal law trumps states rights on this issue so the govs are constrained. However, Congress can create and pass legislation that will trump existing federal law. 

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And then couldn't the President just use executive order to override that? I don't know, I am really asking.

[goldensrbest]

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@nomless wrote:

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@JustJazzmom wrote:

The International Rescue Committee responds to U.S. Governors on Syrian refugee resettlement

New York 17 Nov 2015 - 

Refugee resettlement from around the world, for people of all religions and none, has been one of the success stories of the United States.  Now is no time to abandon this successful model.  Refugees are the most security vetted population who come to the United States. Security screenings are rigorous and involve the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and the Department of Defense.  

Across the U.S., successful Syrian-American communities are testimony to the potential contribution of refugees to this country.

Banning Syrian refugees will not make America safer; it will make refugees more desperate.  Syrian refugees are fleeing violence — including by ISIS — and are seeking safety for themselves and for their families.   

We deplore the insinuation in the recent banning orders against Syrian refugees that either they are terrorists, or that it is impossible to separate them from those seeking to come here to commit terrorism.  

At a time when so many Syrian families are dependent on outside help for their survival, we call on all those in and aspiring to elected office to live up to the highest ideals that have made this country great.

The United States cannot provide a home for everyone.  But it can show, and has throughout its history, people from across the world how to live together.

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I'm not buying they can be reliably vetted, due to the number of US officials from many parts of gov. who say that vetting is not possible because background records simply don't exist.

My opinion could be changed by telling me how the vetting will be done - what information is known and how it has been verified.   I'm open to being shown evidence that reliable vetting is possible, but without evidence that it can be done, I remain cautious.

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This past weekend,on cnn,bob beaur, may have spelled last name wrong,he is a expert,said the boarder control has to except at face value,what those wanting to enter usa,say.

[sunshine45]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

Do any of you live in a state where your Gov said no to refugees? 

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yes......governor hogan just announced it a while ago. very disappointed in him.

we have already accepted some syrian refugees into our state.

[Melania]

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@Laura14 wrote:

Germany just took down quite a few people related to the attacks.  I have never been so proud to be a citizen of this planet.  It took the unfortunate events in Paris to bring countries together that normally don't speak to one another for a common cause.  Even the hackers are getting in on the consequence game.  About time they did something worthwhile with their time.

And as for the refugees, the correct response from the President or better yet the department that checks the refugees as much as they can should just let us and the governors know if they haven't already what the exact vetting process is so everyone can calm down.  

Maybe I missed that information dump it but calling people un-American because they have legitimate concerns and then refusing to address the concerns with actual information is why our government doesn't work well anymore.  Educate us and share what you know and we just might see where you're coming from.  

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CNN's website has an excellent article on the vetting process and what the governors will face if they don't agree.

[Topaz Gem]

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@nomless wrote:

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@JustJazzmom wrote:

The International Rescue Committee responds to U.S. Governors on Syrian refugee resettlement

New York 17 Nov 2015 - 

Refugee resettlement from around the world, for people of all religions and none, has been one of the success stories of the United States.  Now is no time to abandon this successful model.  Refugees are the most security vetted population who come to the United States. Security screenings are rigorous and involve the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and the Department of Defense.  

Across the U.S., successful Syrian-American communities are testimony to the potential contribution of refugees to this country.

Banning Syrian refugees will not make America safer; it will make refugees more desperate.  Syrian refugees are fleeing violence — including by ISIS — and are seeking safety for themselves and for their families.   

We deplore the insinuation in the recent banning orders against Syrian refugees that either they are terrorists, or that it is impossible to separate them from those seeking to come here to commit terrorism.  

At a time when so many Syrian families are dependent on outside help for their survival, we call on all those in and aspiring to elected office to live up to the highest ideals that have made this country great.

The United States cannot provide a home for everyone.  But it can show, and has throughout its history, people from across the world how to live together.

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I'm not buying they can be reliably vetted, due to the number of US officials from many parts of gov. who say that vetting is not possible because background records simply don't exist.

My opinion could be changed by telling me how the vetting will be done - what information is known and how it has been verified.   I'm open to being shown evidence that reliable vetting is possible, but without evidence that it can be done, I remain cautious.

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Vetting wouldn't stop the terrorists from entering, because it's not foolproof.  Many of the terrorists are accomplished human beings.  They are well-educated, have or had very good jobs, etc.  Their terrorist ties are under the radar.  Vetting would never make me feel safe.  After Paris, we're being told that ISIS has learned to operate under the radar.  That's why they didn't pick up any chatter.  We can't be stupid and naive any longer.

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

It is a world mess and the Middle Eastern countries have yet to respond to making a humanitarian place for these people to live without fear of violence ect.

[Maudelynn]

I suppose the President should also place a moratorium on French and Belgian immigration, since the majority of the terrorists were citizens of those 2 countries.  No admittance for work or pleasure for those citizens.  Makes sense to me.

[DowntonAbbey]

I am hearing conflicting reports if our governor is letting them in or not be he probably will..............since they really don't care where or who they kill I wonder if they would kill in a city they have a mosque?

[JustJazzmom]

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@Melania wrote:

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@Laura14 wrote:

Germany just took down quite a few people related to the attacks.  I have never been so proud to be a citizen of this planet.  It took the unfortunate events in Paris to bring countries together that normally don't speak to one another for a common cause.  Even the hackers are getting in on the consequence game.  About time they did something worthwhile with their time.

And as for the refugees, the correct response from the President or better yet the department that checks the refugees as much as they can should just let us and the governors know if they haven't already what the exact vetting process is so everyone can calm down.  

Maybe I missed that information dump it but calling people un-American because they have legitimate concerns and then refusing to address the concerns with actual information is why our government doesn't work well anymore.  Educate us and share what you know and we just might see where you're coming from.  

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CNN's website has an excellent article on the vetting process and what the governors will face if they don't agree.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/index.html