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Yes, I understand how circadian rhythm works. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that teenagers would actually get any more sleep if school started later. I realize that it is hard for teenagers to get up and out of bed in the morning, but some of them would just use that later start time to play on their computers.

 

When I was in school, we went to school until 3:40 pm. My children got out of school at 2:20 pm. Americans should be leading the world in education rather than being ranked 15th or lower. You don't accomplish that with a shorter school day.

 

Maybe we could have two different start times and let the students pick whichever times works best for them. Those who chose the later start time would go to school later. Obviously, the teacher's schedules would need to be adjusted also.

 

Mainly, what we need is parents supporting the teachers and administration. I have so many friends who are teachers...or who got out of the profession because of the behavior of the students and lack of support by the parents. There is very little respect for teachers these days.

 

 

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@hennypenny wrote:

I had the "meanest" parents on earth. 

Strict bedtimes!!!!-

seven thirty til high school and nine all through high school. 

If I didn't finish home work I could set my alarm for as early as I wanted.

When my kids were in school I stuck to the seven thirty in elementary rule, and sometimes stretched the nine o'clock rule in high school.

I want to add that I think that kids now have way too much homework, and far too many outside activities.


@hennypenny

 

Wow! By today's standards those are indeed strict bedtimes! But it worked, didn't it?!

 

I agree with the outside activities. Many kids today think they have to do it all  (or their parents do). Some kids have always been good about having lots of activities and still keeping up the grades, getting sleep, and everything else they want/need to do. But now it is like an endless competition to see just how many different sports, clubs, activities, kids can be enrolled in. 

 

As for the homework, what I saw with my son once he got to public high school is that there is just a lot of busy work for homework. It most often isn't really developing any real skill. It's just one work sheet, after another page of questions, after another chapter quiz. 

 

They need projects that combine specialties, exercise creativity, analytical skills and use of technology, presentation, and research. This read it/quiz it/test it/forget it mentality that our education system is, keeps us behind the rest of the world.

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@AKgirl2 wrote:

👏👍👏👍     I argued that point the whole time my son was in high school!  Three days a week he started his day at 5:30a with swim practice...kids truly suffered with lack of sleep because the school had to make time for additional classes, sports and extracurricular activities...don't know how he did it and thankful he

was hardly home sick and that he did so well in school, sports and extracurricular activities.


That is 3x's/wk at 5:30am swim practice which I drove him to, and

on the bus at 7:05am other mornings for school...

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Nothing new about that; sleep specialists and psychologists started advising that about 15 years ago.  It's complicated but the brain anatomy of teens is different that of younger children and adults.  Their natural sleep patterns are dfferent.  It's why it's so hard to wake them up in the morning!  It's why they are half aslee during that first period class.  But changing schools hours means changing teachers hours and we all know that they and their unions would never go for that.  It means changing bus schedules, it would intefere with sports and after school activities.  It's not going to happen.  Some day it will but not any time soon.

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@magicmoodz wrote:

Minneapolis has been juggling school start times for years.  As someone who at one time worked with juveniles in criminal justice, I am vehemently against a late start time for older students.  

 

As stated upthread, children are often the product of working parents. Truancy runs rampant, and can sometimes be attributed to Johnny's parents  already enroute/at work and not available to ensure he gets out of bed and finds his way to school.  

 

I also feel a regimented routine of responsibility should be taught at home from elementary through high school so that parents are truly shaping their children for what lies ahead.

 

And last, how many of you work with 20-30 year olds who come tripping into their place of employment 45 minutes late every single day?  It is the culture we have created.  


Yes........and they bring in bags of McD's............and have breakfast on the job, and expect the rest of us to understand they were late because of the long line at the take-out...........................

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[ Edited ]

I reread my post. 

I do want to clarify. My parents were very strict about bed time but extremely lenient in other ways.

I was in private school until high school. My elementary school gave NO homework and NO grades. All work involved creative thinking. We were encouraged to explore ideas and philosophies and present our ideas.

We were taught not to be afraid of voicing an opinion.

We were taught that human kindness was the core of all existance. 

We were encouraged to resolve issues with our peers amongst ourselves in a peaceful thoughtful manner. 

Very different from Public High School, which, for me was four years of misery. I had to realize that there was book censorship, that there were topics that were tabu and if you wore red you excited the boys.(yup we were told that by the women's dean).---sorry if this is really off topic

 

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@qualitygalAs one would expect, in most cases, the students who respect education and come from more functional homes will cut off the devices and study.  Often, the atheletes are more driven because the coaches put pressure on the students to keep up their grades.  Occasionally, I'd have a athlete who preferred to "play" and wouldn't join the program.  They quickly learned all the coaches know the teachers, as well as teach in some cases, and they'd be on task.

 

There is a problem with working students.  High school has, in many cases become almost a "mini college" and some courses earn college credit.  Many times I have had students tell me they "closed" a fast food resturant at 2am!  Our bell was 8:00 am.  These students were supporting a car in many cases.  The buses drove for an hour from the school, and it was horrible to have to ride them.

In some cases, they were from dysfunctional families with no support, unable to study because because there was a movie or show they wanted to see.  The parent (s) provide no structure.  Some parents do drugs with the children.

 

Some students can't get up because of depression, or being ADD, or other health issues and sometime their meds that are really necessary.

 

I have seen a different hour structure work.  Our county started an "Early College"  (10:00 am.)  for those kids that just couldn't deal with traditional colleges.  Classes of ten are held on the campus of

our technical college.  They have high intensity courses, and can take a college course a semester free of charge.  A lot of students like driving themselves there, they don't deal with some of the immaturity and negative aspects that teachers deal with in high school.  They graduate, finich up at the tech college and go into CNA training, paralegal training, in some cases the milatary.  

 

It does work and I know other states have looked at this program.

 

I taught in a high school of 1400.  I was in charge if one of the main committees for Southern Association Of Colleges. and I was one of the ten on the Principal's Stearing Committee.  I turned down the Hearing Committee, although, the students wanted me on it.  I was just too close to the students and so many of them did well for me.

 

I have worked with students with issues.  I had a young man who just wasn't "connecting" with anyone but me and I had met the parent and we had spoken at length.  He did well in my courses, but he just had no drive anywhere else.  I suggested to the principal and his parent that we make him my assistant since he liked more responsibility.  Being my aide was the "carrot" to meet the requirements of the other classes.  I told him I badly need some help and he could assist me as long as he passed everything else. When I had nothing for him to do, I expected him to study.  We had just started this and he was out for several days and I called his mother.  He just wouldn't "get up".  Since I was about to have my planning period, I asked her if I might come over.  She was happy to give me a chance.  I told him that I couldn't believe after I made promises to his teachers, the principal, and my work was piling up because I had no help, that he could actually do that to himself, his parents, and me.  We talked about fifteen minutes, he showered, and I took him to school.  He was my assistant for another year.

His mother invited me to his graduation dinner, and I went with her when he was sworn into the army  She constantly sent me pictures and they were all over my office.  

She, herself, went back to school and became a teacher~!

One time I had a student that was living in a car with his little sister and grandmother, which I took to guidance.

I have been signed into treatment facilities as a family member to be with students.

 

I LOVED teaching.  I got out because it looked like the state was going to make us pay for half of our health insurance, but if I left while it was being paid, I wouldn't lose mine.

 

You might want to ask Lola and some of the other posters who are teachers and have seen it from the inside.

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I have great respect for teachers, but the system often is sorely lacking.

I worked at head start and taught one on one reading and worked in the library at my children's schools. all volunteer.

One of my best friends was the principal at one of my boy's school. She would often help them to wash up and give them clean clothing because they had been living in a car. She would take them to the dept store and buy them shoes and clothes. she would slip money to the parents to buy meals. All done on the sly as it would have been against policy.

We need to work harder at providing for our children and see that they are not over pressured by minutia.

sorry if I am not being clear today. surgery yesterday

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I agree with the findings  and think there should be some compromise in having a late start. I don't think 9 am is unreasonable but do away with the delayed openings that a lot of schools have. 

 

It seems like some posters are concerned that these students might have it "easier" than we did (my school started at 7:45)  rather than what is best for their natural development based on science. 

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@Bonanzajellybean wrote:

I agree with the findings  and think there should be some compromise in having a late start. I don't think 9 am is unreasonable but do away with the delayed openings that a lot of schools have. 

 

It seems like some posters are concerned that these students might have it "easier" than we did (my school started at 7:45)  rather than what is best for their natural development based on science. 


ITA. These finding are based on science.  When we know better, it's our responsibility to do better.  Those who think 20-30 year old workers are late, lazy and unmotivated, obviously don't work side by side with co-workers in that age group.

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