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On 3/3/2015 blahblahvampemerblah said:
On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 terrier3 said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:

As to the picture in the OP, the billions received in government assistance isn't because of Walmart's low wages, it is because a large portion of those receiving those benefits are too lazy to do better, don't want to do better, and purposefully set themselves up in a job with hours and wages that fall just within the guidelines to keep getting that federal assistance.

I Walmart paid double, those people would still be on the dole, as they would be sure to only work half the amount of hours, in order to continue their eligibility for the programs.

As the mom of a former Walmart worker, you couldn't be more wrong.

Many, if not most, Walmart workers are just people trying to make a living and this was the best job they could find. Most Walmart workers are p/t - the company does this on purpose to limit benefits. They cut medical benefits in 2015 - prior to that you could get a VERY rudimentary health insurance policy if you had worked for them either f/t or for 2 years p/t. This year they changed the long term p/t requirements to 30 -39 hours a week p/t only. They didn't notify their employees in advance - they just said that if you averaged less than 30 hours/wk. in 2014 you were ineligible for HI in 2015. Since many p/t Walmart employees work 3 days a week (24 hours), they were shut out of HI this year. They were directed to apply for Medicaid on the ACA exchange.

They also are notorious for changing shifts every week. It's tough to plan a college schedule (or a second job!) if you don't know from week to week when you will be scheduled. If you "block out" time due to another job/school or any other reason, your hours are greatly reduced. They basically give the most hours to people who are available 24/7 - but even then they don't get f/t!

The main problem at Walmart isn't workers cutting shifts to get benefits. Even working FULL TIME there at $8 an hour, an employee would make $16,640 a year. The income level for Medicaid is $16,100 a year for one person (138% of poverty level). If you are a single mother with one child and work there FULL TIME, you still would be eligible for Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance. Even when they raise pay to $9, a single mom would still be eligible for assistance.

So claiming the moochers who work there would just ask to have their hours cut is patently false...even working there full time (and very few workers at a store are f/t), many workers STILL qualify for gvt. assistance.

These are entry level jobs, and not intended to support entire families. People who need and want to better themselves can and will, whether within Walmart or by finding better jobs or educational opportunities that lead to better jobs.

Sitting in a minimum wage job, or just above minimum wage, and whining about your lot in life is a full time job for some, but seems to be more a battle cry from those not even living the actual life.

The wages, hours, and scheduling aren't different from much of the other restaurant and retail work available out there, but Walmart being so large and profitable seems to be the big target, while others do the same thing without being mentioned.

My statements are not patently false about the moochers. Full time, part time, whatever, they, by the millions, know the system and the level at which they must underperform to stay on the dole. Lets put the blame where it belongs for MOST, and hold responsible those that have families when they can't or won't work and achieve at the level necessary to live a decent life, and provide for them. Let's stop blaming businesses that actually provide work, opportunity to learn, earn, advance, or move on to something better.

Tell that to a young mother whose husband just left her with two children that she is unable to feed. Tell that to a person born into poverty with an educational system that has failed because they live in a school district wrought with poverty. All of your statements about the working poor are wrong on every level and just that......assumptions and a desire to put blame on people living in poverty to help your conscience. Just another example of the blame game.

None of us start on the same playing field. Some of us have had opportunities given to us from the minute we were born. Having a little empathy and using our intellect to understand that we're all in this together hurts no one.

Both of my parents grew up in very poor households during the depression. How did they get out? Marriage before kids, educations they paid for by working awful jobs and saving for bad times. The secrets to upward mobility are actually very simple, and if you don't follow them, you do so at your peril.

Anecdotal evidence is just that....anecdotal.

The truth of the matter is that the world has changed since your parents worked their way out of poverty. A formal education was not as important to secure a liveable wage back then. My own father dropped out of high school and came from a wealthy family to help support his mother after his dad died. He went far in the business world only because back then education was less important. Today, he used to say before he died, he would have been penniless living on a barely liveable wage.

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On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 Stella Dallas said:
On 3/3/2015 straykatz said:

Walmart among other hugely profitable business is a perfect example that the trickle down effect is non-existant despite the people who tried to convince voters of a trickle-down economy last time around.

It wasn't called Voodoo Economics for nothing.

Trickle down does work. I've never cashed a paycheck from a 'poor' man. If these businesses didn't exist, where would all those people find jobs? If small, locally owned business took over the gap of these now missing huge corporations, how much better would the pay and benefits be? While small business does provide most new jobs and employment in most areas, they aren't notorious for high wages and Cadillac benefit packages either.

Amen! As a former biz owner myself who folded up due to regs and taxes, and I know at least 100 more, we really did/do employ a lot of people.
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On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 terrier3 said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:

As to the picture in the OP, the billions received in government assistance isn't because of Walmart's low wages, it is because a large portion of those receiving those benefits are too lazy to do better, don't want to do better, and purposefully set themselves up in a job with hours and wages that fall just within the guidelines to keep getting that federal assistance.

I Walmart paid double, those people would still be on the dole, as they would be sure to only work half the amount of hours, in order to continue their eligibility for the programs.

As the mom of a former Walmart worker, you couldn't be more wrong.

Many, if not most, Walmart workers are just people trying to make a living and this was the best job they could find. Most Walmart workers are p/t - the company does this on purpose to limit benefits. They cut medical benefits in 2015 - prior to that you could get a VERY rudimentary health insurance policy if you had worked for them either f/t or for 2 years p/t. This year they changed the long term p/t requirements to 30 -39 hours a week p/t only. They didn't notify their employees in advance - they just said that if you averaged less than 30 hours/wk. in 2014 you were ineligible for HI in 2015. Since many p/t Walmart employees work 3 days a week (24 hours), they were shut out of HI this year. They were directed to apply for Medicaid on the ACA exchange.

They also are notorious for changing shifts every week. It's tough to plan a college schedule (or a second job!) if you don't know from week to week when you will be scheduled. If you "block out" time due to another job/school or any other reason, your hours are greatly reduced. They basically give the most hours to people who are available 24/7 - but even then they don't get f/t!

The main problem at Walmart isn't workers cutting shifts to get benefits. Even working FULL TIME there at $8 an hour, an employee would make $16,640 a year. The income level for Medicaid is $16,100 a year for one person (138% of poverty level). If you are a single mother with one child and work there FULL TIME, you still would be eligible for Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance. Even when they raise pay to $9, a single mom would still be eligible for assistance.

So claiming the moochers who work there would just ask to have their hours cut is patently false...even working there full time (and very few workers at a store are f/t), many workers STILL qualify for gvt. assistance.

These are entry level jobs, and not intended to support entire families. People who need and want to better themselves can and will, whether within Walmart or by finding better jobs or educational opportunities that lead to better jobs.

Sitting in a minimum wage job, or just above minimum wage, and whining about your lot in life is a full time job for some, but seems to be more a battle cry from those not even living the actual life.

The wages, hours, and scheduling aren't different from much of the other restaurant and retail work available out there, but Walmart being so large and profitable seems to be the big target, while others do the same thing without being mentioned.

My statements are not patently false about the moochers. Full time, part time, whatever, they, by the millions, know the system and the level at which they must underperform to stay on the dole. Lets put the blame where it belongs for MOST, and hold responsible those that have families when they can't or won't work and achieve at the level necessary to live a decent life, and provide for them. Let's stop blaming businesses that actually provide work, opportunity to learn, earn, advance, or move on to something better.

Tell that to a young mother whose husband just left her with two children that she is unable to feed. Tell that to a person born into poverty with an educational system that has failed because they live in a school district wrought with poverty. All of your statements about the working poor are wrong on every level and just that......assumptions and a desire to put blame on people living in poverty to help your conscience. Just another example of the blame game.

None of us start on the same playing field. Some of us have had opportunities given to us from the minute we were born. Having a little empathy and using our intellect to understand that we're all in this together hurts no one.

This is the typical rampage of the 'bleeding heart'. Everyone has an excuse, a 'good reason' and a pass not to live up to their responsibility.

I come from people who had no start in life. Poverty, broken homes, incest, no high school education, alcoholic parent, abuse, abandonment. They had nowhere to go but up, and they did because they came up in a time where if you didn't you plain didn't have. There were no safety nets like today. Decisions about who to marry, when to have kids were contemplated because there was no backup plan and they knew they would be responsible.

Many People today do what feels good, what they want for now, with no regard to what the consequences will be, or how they will pick up the pieces if plan A fails (if they are even smart enough to have a plan A).

None of us do have the same playing field, but we all have the opportunity to advance, if we want to bad enough. Using our empathy and intellect to understand we are all in this together is the exact way I arrive at my opinions on the idea that most people are where they are because of their own doing. There will always be those that are dealt a bad hand from which they never recover, but it is becoming the few who are taking care of the many, and a great percentage of that 'many' have no empathy for what they are taking from those who are giving. The givers need to stand up and be counted, and demand that others take responsibility for their own lives.

Quit blaming big business for the poverty in this nation, and put it back to the individual, the family unit, and the community.

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Re: Wow! What is wrong with this picture?

On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 terrier3 said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:

As to the picture in the OP, the billions received in government assistance isn't because of Walmart's low wages, it is because a large portion of those receiving those benefits are too lazy to do better, don't want to do better, and purposefully set themselves up in a job with hours and wages that fall just within the guidelines to keep getting that federal assistance.

I Walmart paid double, those people would still be on the dole, as they would be sure to only work half the amount of hours, in order to continue their eligibility for the programs.

As the mom of a former Walmart worker, you couldn't be more wrong.

Many, if not most, Walmart workers are just people trying to make a living and this was the best job they could find. Most Walmart workers are p/t - the company does this on purpose to limit benefits. They cut medical benefits in 2015 - prior to that you could get a VERY rudimentary health insurance policy if you had worked for them either f/t or for 2 years p/t. This year they changed the long term p/t requirements to 30 -39 hours a week p/t only. They didn't notify their employees in advance - they just said that if you averaged less than 30 hours/wk. in 2014 you were ineligible for HI in 2015. Since many p/t Walmart employees work 3 days a week (24 hours), they were shut out of HI this year. They were directed to apply for Medicaid on the ACA exchange.

They also are notorious for changing shifts every week. It's tough to plan a college schedule (or a second job!) if you don't know from week to week when you will be scheduled. If you "block out" time due to another job/school or any other reason, your hours are greatly reduced. They basically give the most hours to people who are available 24/7 - but even then they don't get f/t!

The main problem at Walmart isn't workers cutting shifts to get benefits. Even working FULL TIME there at $8 an hour, an employee would make $16,640 a year. The income level for Medicaid is $16,100 a year for one person (138% of poverty level). If you are a single mother with one child and work there FULL TIME, you still would be eligible for Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance. Even when they raise pay to $9, a single mom would still be eligible for assistance.

So claiming the moochers who work there would just ask to have their hours cut is patently false...even working there full time (and very few workers at a store are f/t), many workers STILL qualify for gvt. assistance.

These are entry level jobs, and not intended to support entire families. People who need and want to better themselves can and will, whether within Walmart or by finding better jobs or educational opportunities that lead to better jobs.

Sitting in a minimum wage job, or just above minimum wage, and whining about your lot in life is a full time job for some, but seems to be more a battle cry from those not even living the actual life.

The wages, hours, and scheduling aren't different from much of the other restaurant and retail work available out there, but Walmart being so large and profitable seems to be the big target, while others do the same thing without being mentioned.

My statements are not patently false about the moochers. Full time, part time, whatever, they, by the millions, know the system and the level at which they must underperform to stay on the dole. Lets put the blame where it belongs for MOST, and hold responsible those that have families when they can't or won't work and achieve at the level necessary to live a decent life, and provide for them. Let's stop blaming businesses that actually provide work, opportunity to learn, earn, advance, or move on to something better.

Tell that to a young mother whose husband just left her with two children that she is unable to feed. Tell that to a person born into poverty with an educational system that has failed because they live in a school district wrought with poverty. All of your statements about the working poor are wrong on every level and just that......assumptions and a desire to put blame on people living in poverty to help your conscience. Just another example of the blame game.

None of us start on the same playing field. Some of us have had opportunities given to us from the minute we were born. Having a little empathy and using our intellect to understand that we're all in this together hurts no one.

This is the typical rampage of the 'bleeding heart'. Everyone has an excuse, a 'good reason' and a pass not to live up to their responsibility.

I come from people who had no start in life. Poverty, broken homes, incest, no high school education, alcoholic parent, abuse, abandonment. They had nowhere to go but up, and they did because they came up in a time where if you didn't you plain didn't have. There were no safety nets like today. Decisions about who to marry, when to have kids were contemplated because there was no backup plan and they knew they would be responsible.

Many People today do what feels good, what they want for now, with no regard to what the consequences will be, or how they will pick up the pieces if plan A fails (if they are even smart enough to have a plan A).

None of us do have the same playing field, but we all have the opportunity to advance, if we want to bad enough. Using our empathy and intellect to understand we are all in this together is the exact way I arrive at my opinions on the idea that most people are where they are because of their own doing. There will always be those that are dealt a bad hand from which they never recover, but it is becoming the few who are taking care of the many, and a great percentage of that 'many' have no empathy for what they are taking from those who are giving. The givers need to stand up and be counted, and demand that others take responsibility for their own lives.

Quit blaming big business for the poverty in this nation, and put it back to the individual, the family unit, and the community.

I guess that helps you sleep at night. So be it.

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never mind, not going to make a dent.

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On 3/3/2015 Stella Dallas said:
On 3/3/2015 mominohio said:
On 3/3/2015 Stella Dallas said:
On 3/3/2015 straykatz said:

Walmart among other hugely profitable business is a perfect example that the trickle down effect is non-existant despite the people who tried to convince voters of a trickle-down economy last time around.

It wasn't called Voodoo Economics for nothing.

Trickle down does work. I've never cashed a paycheck from a 'poor' man. If these businesses didn't exist, where would all those people find jobs? If small, locally owned business took over the gap of these now missing huge corporations, how much better would the pay and benefits be? While small business does provide most new jobs and employment in most areas, they aren't notorious for high wages and Cadillac benefit packages either.


1) You probably have and you just don't know it.

2) When did Voodoo Economics work? how? it sure didn't for my family. My husband has a science PhD and is a highly trained software developer and he was out of work for almost a year because of it.

Thank God for what there was of the economic support network because I don't know what we would have done without it. With it, we were able to hang onto our home and take care of our children. I don't even like to think how we would have been able to hold without it, till he finally found work again.

Having been there, I have nothing but sympathy for the poor and disenfranchised.

Was your husband out of 'work' or out of the kind of work he is so highly educated to do. I do get very tired of people of great accomplishment who claim they can't find work. They most certainly can be in a position to not find the kind of work they are educated for and held in the past, but there is work out there.

I don't know your specific situation of course, but I would wager there was a store, or a fast food franchise, or a small factory somewhere that he could have found 'work'. Not a career worthy of his education and talents, I am sure, but if it was all or nothing, I'm sure he would have found a way to bring in some money, until he could return to employment more suited to his level of achievement.

I have been there, and I don't just blindly sympathize with what society considers the 'poor and disenfranchised'. It is a mistake to do so.

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On 3/3/2015 Complicated said:

never mind, not going to make a dent.

I read your reply and I completely agree with it.

I would far prefer to be called a bleeding heart than a cold, callous you know what, who cares nothing about anyone else but A number 1.

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On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 Complicated said:

never mind, not going to make a dent.

I read your reply and I completely agree with it.

I would far prefer to be called a bleeding heart than a cold, callous you know what, who cares nothing about anyone else but A number 1.

me too, but this thread is not going to change anyone, I am afraid. I am disgusted by some of the posts. Disgusted.

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On 3/3/2015 Complicated said:
On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 Complicated said:

never mind, not going to make a dent.

I read your reply and I completely agree with it.

I would far prefer to be called a bleeding heart than a cold, callous you know what, who cares nothing about anyone else but A number 1.

me too, but this thread is not going to change anyone, I am afraid. I am disgusted by some of the posts. Disgusted.

I'll join you in being Disgusted.

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On 3/3/2015 SoftRaindrops said:
On 3/3/2015 Complicated said:

never mind, not going to make a dent.

I read your reply and I completely agree with it.

I would far prefer to be called a bleeding heart than a cold, callous you know what, who cares nothing about anyone else but A number 1.

Sorry Complicated wasn't inclined to leave up the post. But, just because someone sees the reality of a situation and points out that personal responsibility is paramount in success and failure at all levels, and refuses to buy into the the victim mentality, doesn't make them uncaring or out for only themselves. Tough love, people, tough love.