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01-04-2018 10:54 PM
@Mominohio wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@JaneMarple wrote:
@SeaMaiden wrote:
How do they cope now? It won't be any different then co-workers who work while drunk, high on illegal/legal pills, meth or any other substance that shouldn't be consumed while on the job.
It will be different.
IT is yet another nod of acceptance to the use of substance that impairs.
It relaxes the social standards of what is acceptable, and will open the door to many using who did not because of fear of legal repercussions in the past, and will open the door to those who did already use, to feel they are free to do so more intensely.
It is already staggering how many people are behind the wheel impaired and at work impaired, jeopardizing the life and safety of others (alcohol and drugs). Legalization doesn't nothing to reduce or limit an already bad situation, but will make it worse, plain and simple.
It does not impair people who use it responsibly, in fact, it can save many from horrendous pain and children from debilitating seizures.
The OP's article also said many regular users perform better on the job.
People behind the wheel, or in the workplace are not using drugs or alcohol responsibly if they are under the influence.
And my comments are never directed at true medical use. I get really tired of people muddying the waters with the medical issue.
Medical use (true medical use) and recreational use are two completely different entities and legalization of recreational use of marijuana will be of absolutely no positive benefits to society. Well regulated medical use should be universal.
Oh, I totally agree with you re: driving while high, no matter what the cause, mj, other drugs or alcohol, and this state is pushing that info: You will be caught and punished.
However, there are employers that know many creative people work better with recreational MJ, the OP's article said the same thing.
It's not muddying the water, not when so many uninformed people think there is no mmj that helps. Not you, but many others are against ALL USE.
01-04-2018 10:55 PM
@Noel7 wrote:I wasn't limiting my comment to mmj. I have known numerous recreational users who are not impaired.
From personal experience, I've never known that to be a true statement, however, I'm not saying your experiences have not been different from mine.
I don't understand though. If using pot doesn't affect a person in some way, what would be the point?
01-04-2018 10:57 PM
Well, only time will tell on the effects of legalization of marijuana. I wonder about increased DUI's. There is now conflicting research about mj not being a gateway drug......we shall see.
01-04-2018 10:59 PM - edited 01-04-2018 11:03 PM
@SusieQ_2 wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:I wasn't limiting my comment to mmj. I have known numerous recreational users who are not impaired.
From personal experience, I've never known that to be a true statement, however, I'm not saying your experiences have not been different from mine.
I don't understand though. If using pot doesn't affect a person in some way, what would be the point?
Years ago, I trained with quite a few of the best MDs and psychologists in the world at that time. Overwhelmingly, they used recreational MJ. Some are still practicing and doing just fine.
01-04-2018 11:01 PM
@Kachina624 wrote:Treat the same as working while drunk. All this country needs is another substand for people to take then drive under the influence, killing more innocent people. Are we selling our souls for a little tax revenue? I think so. Making recreational mj legal is a really bad idea.
And let us not forget the idiots on their cell phones risking my life every day on our highways.
01-04-2018 11:01 PM
Anyone here ever listen to the side effects of prescibed medications hawked by bloated pharmaceutical companies? Millions just march into their pharmacies with their little scrips, never considering the damage to their own bodies. Don't even get me started on LEGALLY prescribed opiates and what road that leads down.
A recreational or medically (prescribed) MJ (as far as I know) has never wreaked the havoc of legal pharmaceuticals being "pushed" by drug companies and some doctors.
01-04-2018 11:04 PM
@Noel7 wrote:
@SusieQ_2 wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:I wasn't limiting my comment to mmj. I have known numerous recreational users who are not impaired.
From personal experience, I've never known that to be a true statement, however, I'm not saying your experiences have not been different from mine.
I don't understand though. If using pot doesn't affect a person in some way, what would be the point?
Years ago, I trained with quite a few of the best MD's and psychologists in the world at that time. Overwhelmingly, they used recreational MJ. Some are still practicing and doing just fine.
That didn't answer the question. If pot had no affect then why did they bother using it? Answer: It did, and they used it to get high.
I'm sure many wonderful, intelligent, successful people use recreational mj, but they don't do it because they think they look cool holding a joint.
01-04-2018 11:07 PM
@Noel7 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@JaneMarple wrote:
@SeaMaiden wrote:
How do they cope now? It won't be any different then co-workers who work while drunk, high on illegal/legal pills, meth or any other substance that shouldn't be consumed while on the job.
It will be different.
IT is yet another nod of acceptance to the use of substance that impairs.
It relaxes the social standards of what is acceptable, and will open the door to many using who did not because of fear of legal repercussions in the past, and will open the door to those who did already use, to feel they are free to do so more intensely.
It is already staggering how many people are behind the wheel impaired and at work impaired, jeopardizing the life and safety of others (alcohol and drugs). Legalization doesn't nothing to reduce or limit an already bad situation, but will make it worse, plain and simple.
It does not impair people who use it responsibly, in fact, it can save many from horrendous pain and children from debilitating seizures.
The OP's article also said many regular users perform better on the job.
People behind the wheel, or in the workplace are not using drugs or alcohol responsibly if they are under the influence.
And my comments are never directed at true medical use. I get really tired of people muddying the waters with the medical issue.
Medical use (true medical use) and recreational use are two completely different entities and legalization of recreational use of marijuana will be of absolutely no positive benefits to society. Well regulated medical use should be universal.
Oh, I totally agree with you re: driving while high, no matter what the cause, mj, other drugs or alcohol, and this state is pushing that info: You will be caught and punished.
However, there are employers that know many creative people work better with recreational MJ, the OP's article said the same thing.
It's not muddying the water, not when so many uninformed people think there is no mmj that helps. Not you, but many others are against ALL USE.
I've lived with and loved enough people who have suffered horrible diseases, pain and deaths, and I believe any drug used to alleviate people's pain and suffering in a safe and controlled manner, should be available to their doctors and the patient, to make choices that bring comfort and relief.
The problem I think a lot of people have is that they hear stories (that I'm sure some of which have merit) of the abuse of even medical use. Patients not really needing it and doctors over or improperly prescribing it.
And there are some of us that you will never convince that even small amounts of alcohol and recreational marijuana do not create some level of impairment. It will be different in different people, both the amount needed to impair and the level of impairment for any given amount, but it does indeed impair, which puts others at risk. Recreational legalization simply adds another layer of potential danger on our roads, in our workplace and in society in general.
I am not in the camp of people who is going to believe that the majority of people who will use recreationally will be doing so in a responsible manner. I don't see it with alcohol and have no reason to believe it will be any different with marijuana.
01-04-2018 11:12 PM
I can see that some people here have never tried it, but are experts on its effects and the responsibility of those who choose to. As in life in general, no one knows everything about everyone.
01-04-2018 11:14 PM
@RoughDraft wrote:I can see that some people here have never tried it, but are experts on its effects and the responsibility of those who choose to. As in life in general, no one knows everything about everyone.
Put me in the category of those who have never used it but I will not condem anyone who does.
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