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[Noel7]

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@SusieQ_2 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@SusieQ_2 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

I wasn't limiting my comment to mmj.  I have known numerous recreational users who are not impaired.

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From personal experience, I've never known that to be a true statement, however, I'm not saying your experiences have not been different from mine.

I don't understand though. If using pot doesn't affect a person in some way, what would be the point? 

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@SusieQ_2

Years ago, I trained with quite a few of the best MD's and psychologists in the world at that time.  Overwhelmingly, they used recreational MJ.  Some are still practicing and doing just fine.

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That didn't answer the question. If pot had no affect then why did they bother using it? Answer: It did, and they used it to get high. 

I'm sure many wonderful, intelligent, successful people use recreational mj, but they don't do it because they think they look cool holding a joint. 

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Oh yes, it did answer the question, @SusieQ_2 , which was based on your observation that mj use means impairment.  I never said it didn't have an effect.  FYI effect and impairment are not one and the same.

[SusieQ_2]

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@SusieQ_2 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@SusieQ_2 wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

I wasn't limiting my comment to mmj.  I have known numerous recreational users who are not impaired.

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From personal experience, I've never known that to be a true statement, however, I'm not saying your experiences have not been different from mine.

I don't understand though. If using pot doesn't affect a person in some way, what would be the point? 

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@SusieQ_2

Years ago, I trained with quite a few of the best MD's and psychologists in the world at that time.  Overwhelmingly, they used recreational MJ.  Some are still practicing and doing just fine.

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That didn't answer the question. If pot had no affect then why did they bother using it? Answer: It did, and they used it to get high. 

I'm sure many wonderful, intelligent, successful people use recreational mj, but they don't do it because they think they look cool holding a joint. 

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Oh yes, it did answer the question, @SusieQ_2 , which was based on your observation that mj use means impairment.  I never said it didn't have an effect.  FYI effect and impairment are not one and the same.

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Sorry, Noel, but I disagree. Anything that does not leave you as mentally and physically acute as you were pre-imbibing means you are impaired. A reading of 0.07 is not enough to say a person is too drunk to drive, but when it comes to my child, it's way too impaired for that person to be driving her home. 

And today it's a whole other story with pot. The recreational mj of today is not our mama's mj of the old days. One hit is enough to do the trick.

[Ms tyrion2]

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@RoughDraft wrote:

Anyone here ever listen to the side effects of  prescibed medications hawked by bloated pharmaceutical companies?  Millions just march into their pharmacies with their little scrips, never considering the damage to their own bodies.  Don't even get me started on LEGALLY prescribed opiates and what road that leads down.

A recreational or medically (prescribed) MJ (as far as I know) has never wreaked the havoc of legal pharmaceuticals being "pushed" by drug companies and some doctors.

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very well said. 

I wonder how many here who are having fits over MJ use happily fill their opioid or anti anxiety  scripts every month.

I have friends who cannot and will not take opioid pain medication. MJ allows them to lead an almost normal life.

[JaneMarple]

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@Ms tyrion2 wrote:

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@RoughDraft wrote:

Anyone here ever listen to the side effects of  prescibed medications hawked by bloated pharmaceutical companies?  Millions just march into their pharmacies with their little scrips, never considering the damage to their own bodies.  Don't even get me started on LEGALLY prescribed opiates and what road that leads down.

A recreational or medically (prescribed) MJ (as far as I know) has never wreaked the havoc of legal pharmaceuticals being "pushed" by drug companies and some doctors.

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very well said. 

I wonder how many here who are having fits over MJ use happily fill their opioid or anti anxiety  scripts every month.

I have friends who cannot and will not take opioid pain medication. MJ allows them to lead an almost normal life.

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I've worked with people who couldn't get through the day without their Xanax! But let's blame pot for everything that goes wrong,

[Carmie]

Medical MJ was just recently approved for use here in PA.  Medical MJ is not smoked and doesn’t make people high.

It is delivered in oil or pill form.  Only approved doctors can prescribe it for certain medical conditions.

In PA, the recreational use of MJ is illegal and I don ’t see it being legalized any time soon.

There is no proof that MJ curbs the use of illegal opioid drugs.  Once addicted, MJ will not “ hit the spot” or satisfy the addict. They must have the opioid drugs.

i think the recreational use of drugs is the same as alcohol use.  If you get caught being under the influence at work, you will be terminated.  The same for operating a motor vehicle.  You will be arrested and subject to your states DUI laws.

As a side note, the Federal Government still considers all MJ use illegal.  Federal agents can arrest people for MJ use in all 50 states as long as that law on the books.

I think it is scary that Americans need some sort of drugs to just go about their day.  We take drugs to go to sleep, drugs to wake up, drugs to start and stop our digestive system in addition to all the other stuff that is popular.  It seems normal for people to take drugs everyday for something.  

Big pharma is making a fortune and we are walking zombies. Doctors keep prescribing and never take drugs away. They just keep adding and adding more.  

Sooner or later all this is going to catch up with us.

[SusieQ_2]

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@JaneMarple wrote:

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@Ms tyrion2 wrote:

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@RoughDraft wrote:

Anyone here ever listen to the side effects of  prescibed medications hawked by bloated pharmaceutical companies?  Millions just march into their pharmacies with their little scrips, never considering the damage to their own bodies.  Don't even get me started on LEGALLY prescribed opiates and what road that leads down.

A recreational or medically (prescribed) MJ (as far as I know) has never wreaked the havoc of legal pharmaceuticals being "pushed" by drug companies and some doctors.

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very well said. 

I wonder how many here who are having fits over MJ use happily fill their opioid or anti anxiety  scripts every month.

I have friends who cannot and will not take opioid pain medication. MJ allows them to lead an almost normal life.

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I've worked with people who couldn't get through the day without their Xanax! But let's blame pot for everything that goes wrong,

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I live in CA and voted for legalization. I'm not sure I would do it again, and I'm not sure I wouldn't, but how about let's at least be fair and not demonize those who have concerns. Suddenly people are being questioned about opioid meds...did someone here say there were using them or is that just a cop out (rhetorical question)? Did anyone really blame EVERYTHING that goes wrong on pot? Of course not.

And again, the mmj issue is brought up that has nothing to do with recreational use. I'm not saying everyone should agree, but let's at least be fair. And please, let's not pretend people are using recreational mj for any other reason than to get high.

[Moonchilde]

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@cherry wrote:

People have been drinking on the job for years, and also using  pot

I don't know if it will be much different than it has been for years

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I don’t really understand the question. How will they cope? The same way they’ve been coping when employees show up to work visibly impaired by any substance including legally prescribed opiates, cough medicine, alcohol, etc.  

It should be grounds for instant dismissal. That should be a given and not any kind of shocker to anyone.  However, use does not automatically signify under the influence of. Use does not automatically signify OVERuse or impairment.

Some of this stems from those people who are firmly convinced that taking any substance - OTC cold meds, NSAIDs, your allergy pill, vitamins, a drop of alcohol passing the lips - anything - automatically means not that some people might be so affected but that all people are.  No one can drink a beer or wine cooler without being drunk; it’s impossible and whoever claims differently is lying, because they know; they just know it. Never mind science and logic.

[Moonchilde]

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@RoughDraft wrote:

I can see that some people here have never tried it, but are experts on its effects and the responsibility of those who choose to.  As in life in general, no one knows everything about everyone.  

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And this, like several other long-standing topics, is one of those jump-on-the-bandwagon subjects that people use to polarize. 

No gray area, no mitigating circumstances, just black or white SO THERE. 

I would love to be a fly on the doctor’s office wall of those here who condemn all cannabis use and all cannabis users and swear they would never, ever...if they or a loved one is diagnosed with cancer and faces surgery, chemo and radiation - without opioids.  

The person will be suffering needlessly by so cutting off their nose to spite their face. Oh well...their issue not mine.

[SUHsE]

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@GSPgirl wrote:

We visit a town in Colorado every year and I have seen some sad changes since pot was legalized.  People sitting in front of stores not moving when you ask and finding out that they aren’t there for pot, but for other drugs.  I also smell it behind the stores even though people aren’t suppose to be smoking while at work or on the sidewalks.  It’s a joke as far as I’m concerned.  It will happen to the cute little towns in CA, too. 

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I live in Washington State, where pot has  been legal, for several,years, for recreational use.  I’ve seen no indications, of what you describe. 

Why, would  they be, at the weed store, for, “other drugs”?

These stores don’t sell,Cocaine and, Meth, in the,,wink,wink, #backroom#😃

You have to be 21 to purchase, and these shops get a lot of police attention. 

Pot has has never been my thing. Not when I was much younger and it was much less legal, not now.  

However, I have no problem, with its legalization. 

The mostv@bused drug in the world:  Alcohol!

[CrazyDaisy]

 In the industry I  work there is a zero tolerance policy.  There are mandatory drug testing, both ramdom and annual.  A positive test means termination.  Many of our clients will not even allow a contractor on site who does not maintain a zero tolerance policy. There is concern finding workers that are qualified that can pass the drug test.