Why is there not a universal effort for containmen... - Page 2

GrettaGarbled · ‎09-25-2014

On 10/13/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:
In the CDC thread I posted a LONG list of countries that are contributing to the efforts.

And it was very informative.

millieshops · ‎03-09-2010

I suppose I should be more worried than I am, but in the time that a few very sad cases of ebola deaths hit USA personnel, how many will die of the common flu? 10,000? 15,000? that's not at all uncommon. Why is there no uproar about that? Why is okay for the hospital personnel in some cases to say they don't want to take the flu shots?

I do not understand why we expect total safety from ebila and then just sit back and wait for family and friends and neighbors sicken with flu?

I am sad that anyone must die, but this hysteria doesn't make sense to me.

gardenman · ‎03-09-2010

The big problem with containment is that people lie and subvert it. They'll deny exposure and even when they have a temperature raging they'll deny it. They'll bypass checkpoints, dodge authorities and engage in risky behavior regardless of the consequences. It's what people do. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. Short of implanting a conscience and high moral code in every human being, there's not a lot anyone can do.

You try your best to contain issues like this, but realistically some people will skirt whatever rules are in place and efforts at containment will fail. Ebola has already spread farther this time than ever before and it's not because the powers-that-be were lax. It's because the humans who were infected avoided containment. All it really takes is one person breaking containment to create chaos.

Fly!!! Eagles!!! Fly!!!

scotttie · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/13/2014 millieshops said:
I suppose I should be more worried than I am, but in the time that a few very sad cases of ebola deaths hit USA personnel, how many will die of the common flu? 10,000? 15,000? that's not at all uncommon. Why is there no uproar about that? Why is okay for the hospital personnel in some cases to say they don't want to take the flu shots?

I do not understand why we expect total safety from ebila and then just sit back and wait for family and friends and neighbors sicken with flu?

I am sad that anyone must die, but this hysteria doesn't make sense to me.

I am truly tired of the "hysteria" and "frenzy" words.

scotttie · ‎03-09-2010

gardenman, so great to see you weighing in on this. You always have something worthwhile to say.

foundinlv · ‎04-20-2012

On 10/13/2014 gardenman said:
The big problem with containment is that people lie and subvert it. They'll deny exposure and even when they have a temperature raging they'll deny it. They'll bypass checkpoints, dodge authorities and engage in risky behavior regardless of the consequences. It's what people do. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. Short of implanting a conscience and high moral code in every human being, there's not a lot anyone can do.

You try your best to contain issues like this, but realistically some people will skirt whatever rules are in place and efforts at containment will fail. Ebola has already spread farther this time than ever before and it's not because the powers-that-be were lax. It's because the humans who were infected avoided containment. All it really takes is one person breaking containment to create chaos.

gardenman.....I don't know if you've ever had a fever before but one cannot function or walk very well when that ill...you're going to want to be confined to bed unless you have someone that can get you transported to a doctor or ER.

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

Who better to help than the best military in the world ?

Btw, Army docs/medics have done much to advance emergency and trauma medicine. They've done the impossible and performed miracles for our soldiers and sailors.

Our troops can, and do, do it all.

sylviahomeatlast · ‎03-11-2010

CDC and NIH are either lying or they are incompetent

gardenman · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/13/2014 ILikeShade said:
On 10/13/2014 gardenman said:
The big problem with containment is that people lie and subvert it. They'll deny exposure and even when they have a temperature raging they'll deny it. They'll bypass checkpoints, dodge authorities and engage in risky behavior regardless of the consequences. It's what people do. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. Short of implanting a conscience and high moral code in every human being, there's not a lot anyone can do.

You try your best to contain issues like this, but realistically some people will skirt whatever rules are in place and efforts at containment will fail. Ebola has already spread farther this time than ever before and it's not because the powers-that-be were lax. It's because the humans who were infected avoided containment. All it really takes is one person breaking containment to create chaos.

gardenman.....I don't know if you've ever had a fever before but one cannot function or walk very well when that ill...you're going to want to be confined to bed unless you have someone that can get you transported to a doctor or ER.

ILikeShade. The ability to function with a fever depends on the person. in January 2012 I was one of many who caught the flu that was going around. I had a fever of 103+ and I was still fairly functional. In fact I absolutely had to go out on my worst day (with my fever raging and feeling horrible) but it was a short trip that I thought I could accomplish in ten minutes and then be able to stay home. Once I got there I significantly complicated my life by accidentally locking my keys in the car and had to walk back home (three and a half miles in twenty degree weather) to get the spare set of keys and then walk back to the car to drive it back home. It was far from fun, but it was doable. (Oddly it seemed to shorten the duration of the flu for me. Those around me who had the flu at the same time took longer to recover. I'm not sure if it was the endless muttered cursing I did, the cold air I was breathing in, or the extra heat my body generated in the long walk, but for some reason I recovered several days quicker than everyone else around me.)

Now the flu isn't Ebola, but we've seen several of the Ebola patients up and walking into the various hospitals on their own while infectious. A person who's mobile and infectious and doesn't care about containment is a big problem. And there will be people who don't care about containment.

Fly!!! Eagles!!! Fly!!!