Who's Paying for Shipping? - Page 3

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Kachina624 wrote:
This morning on the George Stephanopolous talk show on ABC, Martha Radditz did an excellent report on the West Coast shipping crisis. One amazing statistic mentioned was that the average cost of shipping a container of goods pre-pandemic was $1300. Now it's about $16,000. And people wonder why prices are escalating? Of course this is just one of the factors as there are many others.

After the good finally get shipped to us after their arduous journey, our own postal service is further holding up their delivery.

@Kachina624 People have a fit when stamps go up 2 cents and wonder why service is bad. What other agency sends something anywhere in the US for under 60 cents?

moonandthestars · ‎03-11-2010

I just wonder why the president's meeting didn't happen months ago and have the port's hours expanded then? Why let ithe problem sit this long?

Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@Kachina624 wrote:
This morning on the George Stephanopolous talk show on ABC, Martha Radditz did an excellent report on the West Coast shipping crisis. One amazing statistic mentioned was that the average cost of shipping a container of goods pre-pandemic was $1300. Now it's about $16,000. And people wonder why prices are escalating? Of course this is just one of the factors as there are many others.

After the good finally get shipped to us after their arduous journey, our own postal service is further holding up their delivery.
@Kachina624 People have a fit when stamps go up 2 cents and wonder why service is bad. What other agency sends something anywhere in the US for under 60 cents?

@Sooner I've read the basis for the USPS's problems is a mandate from Congress to fund the retirement of employees who haven't even been hired yet, people who will retire years and years from now.

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Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Kachina624 wrote:

@Sooner wrote:
@Kachina624 wrote:
This morning on the George Stephanopolous talk show on ABC, Martha Radditz did an excellent report on the West Coast shipping crisis. One amazing statistic mentioned was that the average cost of shipping a container of goods pre-pandemic was $1300. Now it's about $16,000. And people wonder why prices are escalating? Of course this is just one of the factors as there are many others.

After the good finally get shipped to us after their arduous journey, our own postal service is further holding up their delivery.
@Kachina624 People have a fit when stamps go up 2 cents and wonder why service is bad. What other agency sends something anywhere in the US for under 60 cents?
@Sooner I've read the basis for the USPS's problems is a mandate from Congress to fund the retirement of employees who haven't even been hired yet, people who will retire years and years from now.

@Kachina624 From Congress? I'll buy that. . .

Marp · ‎03-09-2010

@Foxxee wrote:
Yes, and companies leasing cargo ships are paying $100,000 a day and before this mess, $20,000 a day. That doesn't cover fuel and taxes.

Just learned, but should have been on top of it, CA passed an EPA law some years ago requiring all trucks operating within and entering the state must pass that law. None of the other states have this EPA requirement.

Evidently, it's very expensive for independent truckers and small trucking companies to get their trucks ready. Only 50% of all trucks that could pick up cargo in CA currently pass.

Walmart, Amazon, Lowes, Home Depot and other big companies decided not to use California ports. They are going through the Panama Canal to Houston, Savannah, and East coast ports to bypass California.

It takes longer, but they are getting their orders sooner than through California.  Not enough trucks picking up cargo in California has become a huge obstacle.

For those wanting to know more about it, there are articles as far back as 2012 that explain California's EPA standards and current articles explaining how this has thrown a monkey wrench in deliveries throughout the country.

Picture of air pollution in Los Angeles in 1968, before the Clean Air Act was passed in 1970, and after in 2005.

The eyes through which you see others may be the same as how they see you.

chrystaltree · ‎05-10-2010

@moonandthestars wrote:
I just wonder why the president's meeting didn't happen months ago and have the port's hours expanded then? Why let ithe problem sit this long?

I wondered the same thing. Why not a month or two ago? As for changing port hours, I'm not convinced that will happen or that workers will be willing to work extra shifts. Unions have not weighed in yet and even if they don't put the kibosh on this, changing schedules won't be easy or quick.

ThinkingOutLoud · ‎05-01-2020

@Marp wrote:
@Foxxee wrote:
Yes, and companies leasing cargo ships are paying $100,000 a day and before this mess, $20,000 a day. That doesn't cover fuel and taxes.

Just learned, but should have been on top of it, CA passed an EPA law some years ago requiring all trucks operating within and entering the state must pass that law. None of the other states have this EPA requirement.

Evidently, it's very expensive for independent truckers and small trucking companies to get their trucks ready. Only 50% of all trucks that could pick up cargo in CA currently pass.

Walmart, Amazon, Lowes, Home Depot and other big companies decided not to use California ports. They are going through the Panama Canal to Houston, Savannah, and East coast ports to bypass California.

It takes longer, but they are getting their orders sooner than through California.  Not enough trucks picking up cargo in California has become a huge obstacle.

For those wanting to know more about it, there are articles as far back as 2012 that explain California's EPA standards and current articles explaining how this has thrown a monkey wrench in deliveries throughout the country.

Picture of air pollution in Los Angeles in 1968, before the Clean Air Act was passed in 1970, and after in 2005.

uhh - The air in LA doesn't usually look like the photo on the right. I have a family member that flew out there a couple years ago to see about a possible testing site off the coast. When he looked out the plane window and noticed the smog, he asked the flight attendant if the air is usually that bad. The flight attendant responded that this was actually a good day, you normally can't see Catalina Island. The testing site there wasn't chosen due to the poor air quality.