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[Tinkrbl44]

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@patbz wrote:

Obviously, I'm sorry that 28,000 people are losing their jobs (that's a lot of pain and suffering). My personal opinion is that Disney is greedy (Over last 40 years I've been to both U.S. parks 8 to 10 times); last year my son and I took 2 grands to Disney for two days in August.  It was hot, crowded and even souvenirs and soft drinks were outrageous. A three day trip, in high season literally cost what DH and I paid two years ago for two weeks in China (including flights and nice hotels).  We drove from Arizona to Annaheim; IMHO that's ridiculous!  I don't think employees are particularly well paid so somebody is making mega bucks!

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@patbz 

???    I don't understand what's so ridiculous about driving from Arizona to Anaheim ... or how you think it's Disney's fault.  

Also, Disney is a publicly-held NYSE-traded company.  It's a BUSINESS, so making money is not "greedy".  Making a profit is what all businesses are supposed to do.  

You are also ignoring the OPERATING COSTS.   Can you imagine how much their electricity bill is each month?   Yikes!   

From all I know, operating a park like Disneyland is VERY expensive.    And if people don't want to pay the admission, they can always go somewhere else.  Like all entertainment choices, attendance is always optional.

[patbz]

@Tinkrbl44 :  My point about driving was that we were containing some costs (by not flying and we didn't stay in Disney properties, although we stayed in 3-4 star hotels).  Paying $10 for a soft drink (in August when it was 98 degrees) and there is no source of potable water to refill our containers) is beyond the pale imho.

[NYC Susan]

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@Puppy Lips wrote:
My son works as a manager for Disney here in Florida. He was well trained, is well paid, and has great benefits. He was called back awhile ago. He likes it and they like him. Those who resist the Disney way of doing things, well, they may never like it.

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I know people who work for Disney, and they all love it.  I've never heard the horrible nickname mentioned above, or any derogatory nickname at all.

[NYC Susan]

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@Sooner wrote:

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@sharlee wrote:

Clarify?  Sure. Parody on Aushwitz.

The employees felt they were so badly treated that that they were comparing Disney to the Nazi regime.  An overstatement, and in questionable taste, but the entertainment industry is like that.

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@sharlee NO excuse what so ever for making a joke of that.  Sorry but nobody gets a pass on that one. 

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I agree completely.

Also - I work in the entertainment industry, and I don't understand the reference to the entertainment industry being "like that".  What is that supposed to mean?

[NYC Susan]

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@patbz wrote:

Obviously, I'm sorry that 28,000 people are losing their jobs (that's a lot of pain and suffering). My personal opinion is that Disney is greedy (Over last 40 years I've been to both U.S. parks 8 to 10 times); last year my son and I took 2 grands to Disney for two days in August.  It was hot, crowded and even souvenirs and soft drinks were outrageous. A three day trip, in high season literally cost what DH and I paid two years ago for two weeks in China (including flights and nice hotels).  We drove from Arizona to Annaheim; IMHO that's ridiculous!  I don't think employees are particularly well paid so somebody is making mega bucks!

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Disney is entitled to make all the money they can.  There's no reason why they can't charge what people are willing to pay.  They're in the business of making money, and there's nothing wrong with that.  It has nothing to do with being greedy.  It has everything to do with running a successful business.  

The people I know who work for Disney, btw, are very happy with the amount of money they make, as well as the many benefits they receive.

[suzyQ3]

I'm wondering whether the difference in opinion regarding employment at Disney depends upon the job classification.

[bigtraps]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

I'm wondering whether the difference in opinion regarding employment at Disney depends upon the job classification.

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There are actualnumber, so an opinion does not matter.

[Porcelain]

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@patbz wrote:

Obviously, I'm sorry that 28,000 people are losing their jobs (that's a lot of pain and suffering). My personal opinion is that Disney is greedy (Over last 40 years I've been to both U.S. parks 8 to 10 times); last year my son and I took 2 grands to Disney for two days in August.  It was hot, crowded and even souvenirs and soft drinks were outrageous. A three day trip, in high season literally cost what DH and I paid two years ago for two weeks in China (including flights and nice hotels).  We drove from Arizona to Annaheim; IMHO that's ridiculous!  I don't think employees are particularly well paid so somebody is making mega bucks!

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@patbz 

???    I don't understand what's so ridiculous about driving from Arizona to Anaheim ... or how you think it's Disney's fault.  

Also, Disney is a publicly-held NYSE-traded company.  It's a BUSINESS, so making money is not "greedy".  Making a profit is what all businesses are supposed to do.  

You are also ignoring the OPERATING COSTS.   Can you imagine how much their electricity bill is each month?   Yikes!   

From all I know, operating a park like Disneyland is VERY expensive.    And if people don't want to pay the admission, they can always go somewhere else.  Like all entertainment choices, attendance is always optional.

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I disagree. Only concerning itself with profits at the expense of all other responsibilities is very much greedy. Greed is built into the stock market.

Taken to an extreme it is very much a bad thing. And of course eventually Disney and any other company that succumbs to excessive greed will ruin their own product and people will not consider it worth paying a premium to experience.

No customer wants to support a business that only sees their customers as a source of money and profit, to exploit. That's like feeding a vampire, or leech, or the story of what the aliens were doing in the Matrix. Treating humans like battery packs.

[Tinkrbl44]

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@patbz wrote:

Obviously, I'm sorry that 28,000 people are losing their jobs (that's a lot of pain and suffering). My personal opinion is that Disney is greedy (Over last 40 years I've been to both U.S. parks 8 to 10 times); last year my son and I took 2 grands to Disney for two days in August.  It was hot, crowded and even souvenirs and soft drinks were outrageous. A three day trip, in high season literally cost what DH and I paid two years ago for two weeks in China (including flights and nice hotels).  We drove from Arizona to Annaheim; IMHO that's ridiculous!  I don't think employees are particularly well paid so somebody is making mega bucks!

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@patbz 

???    I don't understand what's so ridiculous about driving from Arizona to Anaheim ... or how you think it's Disney's fault.  

Also, Disney is a publicly-held NYSE-traded company.  It's a BUSINESS, so making money is not "greedy".  Making a profit is what all businesses are supposed to do.  

You are also ignoring the OPERATING COSTS.   Can you imagine how much their electricity bill is each month?   Yikes!   

From all I know, operating a park like Disneyland is VERY expensive.    And if people don't want to pay the admission, they can always go somewhere else.  Like all entertainment choices, attendance is always optional.

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I disagree. Only concerning itself with profits at the expense of all other responsibilities is very much greedy. Greed is built into the stock market.

Taken to an extreme it is very much a bad thing. And of course eventually Disney and any other company that succumbs to excessive greed will ruin their own product and people will not consider it worth paying a premium to experience.

No customer wants to support a business that only sees their customers as a source of money and profit, to exploit. That's like feeding a vampire, or leech, or the story of what the aliens were doing in the Matrix. Treating humans like battery packs.

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@Porcelain 

Wow.   I like your Gordon Gekko reference, but just who decides what is "excessive greed" and what is a healthy profit?   

You?   Disney's stockholders?   Random message board posters?  

Are you sure you fully understand how businesses work?  If people go to theme parks and feel they got their money's worth, and had a great vacation, who are you to say they were supposedly exploited?

As with every other product available, some will think the cost is okay, and others won't.  So what?  

Your comment "Only concerning itself with profits at the expense of "all other responsibilities" is very much greedy" is seriously off the mark.   While they should do whatever they can to provide a safe environment, "all other responsibilities" seems deliberately vague.  People who consider attending any theme park must weigh the pros and cons, and then be guided accordingly.  Ultimately, the responsibility  (and decision)  rests on the consumer.   

[Porcelain]

@Tinkrbl44 Each of us decides for ourselves what is excessive greed in a corporation or ourselves or another person. And we act and spend accordingly. Seems to me Disney is headed in that direction. I hope they get new leadership soon.

Of course you are free to disagree. And you may indeed understand business far better than I do. I assume we have both been involved in business during the course of our careers. And I assume we both understand the basics. And I am sure you did not intend that question to be insulting or condescending.