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[ollie5]

Flight Attendants are much more than waiters or waitresses, they are very well trained to save your life!

How do I know this? My daughter is a Flight Attendant and is required every year to go to training. There alot more to it than just serving you drinks and snacks.

She just had a flight from Boston to Philly and had two intoxicated women come on the plane, so much for gate agents, they kept taking off their masks after they reamed out a poor woman who sat in the wrong aisle in their seat.

Eventually they were kicked off the flight before it took off.I always tell her not to call me if someone assaults her because there will be a Mama Bear waiting at the gate.

[homedecor1]

I flew today not American or SW upon check-in they were looking for volunteers to take another flight due to "weight or overbooking".  The counter staff was not only pleasant but helpful as many traveling were "handicapped" from what I could see.  This was flight going to FL (I assume full of vacationers and snowbirds returning).

They offered $500 voucher and return flight "full fare" at my convenience.  I surely wish I didn't have to come home for spouse dr appts because that was a great deal.

The flight was perfect including attendants & passengers.  I am looking forward to another good experience 🤞🏻When I fly home in 3 weeks for a wedding.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Just Bling wrote:

We, as in America, always hear both sides, it's our law and our rights.

If we lose that ability then we might as well turn this country into a Soviet style government, I don't think anyone wants that.

He may have had a short fuse, some people are like that but we can't just go on what the CEO of American Airlines says.

I think the airlines has turned the attendants into waiters and waitresses.  No need to serve drinks, snacks, give out pillows etc.

@Just Bling 

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You have to wait your turn to hear the other side of the story (you are not actually entitled to it) as you are not directly involved.  I must say, however, there would never be an excuse for what he did.  I am a firm believer that people should not hit one another unless you are fighting back someone attempting to do you bodily harm.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Lipstickdiva wrote:

As others have said, this had nothing to do with mask wearing.  However, I don't believe anyone goes through the entire booking process, boards a plane and then decides they aren't wearing a mask.  They know from the time they are purchasing their ticket that they aren't going to wear a mask.  But they purchase the ticket anyhow and think the rule doesn't apply to them or that they will get away with it and when confronted, they lose their you know what.

There was an expert of some kind on a morning show this morning and he said the problem with all these flights being canceled (today it was more American flights as well as Southwest) is that the airlines are spreading themselves way too thin.  They have too many flights booked and then when there is an issue like call-offs, or pilots or flight attendants not making it to the next airport for their next scheduled flight, they have no one to cover and the flights have to be canceled.

I'm also not at all excusing anyone's bad behavior but the airlines need to start taking some responsibility for some of this.  First of all, many keep cramming more rows of seats inside their planes, which lessens leg room and squishes everyone in.  When you are crammed in a plane like cattle, eventually someone isn't going to be happy.  It's not like people fly for free so you get what you pay for.  It is often miserable to fly.

On many flights, first class isn't even that big of a deal anymore to fly.  It's better than basic economy but in many instances, it's not as roomy and comfortable as it used to be.  Again because the airlines want more money so they are putting more rows of seating in.

I also dont' understand why they cannot deny boarding to passengers who are already drunk and disorderly when boarding the plane.  DH and I were on a fight where a guy was obviously inebriated already boarding the flight, was being a loud-mouth jerk and ended up in a verbal altercation with the person sitting next to him.  Luckily it de-escalated quickly.  But that guy should never have been allowed on the plane.

And why do the airlines have to serve alcohol in flights?  Can people not fly without drinking?  Oh yeah.  More money for the airlines.                      

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@Lipstickdiva 

Why is hard to believe that people *will go through all of that and then act foolish when it's time to go?  We aren't talking about rational thinking people here.  There are subsets of people that want their way ~ when they want it and how they want it.  Moreover, some of the very actions they've taken (first class bookings; plenty of leg room) might give such individuals the false notion that they deserve to not have to wear a mask. There goes that pesky privilege problem again (being an American).

Do you think the airlines are lying about the mask fights?  I don't.  Do you not believe that people behaving badly on flights is a serious problem?  I do.  We have to weed them out and there should be zero tolerance for this kind of behavior in the air.

*For the sake of this discussion; going through all of that simply means clicking a few buttons and voila-----you've just bought yourself a ticket.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Foxxee wrote:

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Foxxee wrote:

Smaller seats, packed into a cattle car, TSA, along with everything else are bound to get on people's nerves. 

There's no excuse for punching a flight attendant, but I'm surprised more aren't snapping.  

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@Foxxee you're not keeping up.  That might be a good thing.  There are really bad fights on planes over the last year or so.  Some have involved legitimate concerns and safety of passengers as well as staff.  It's been so bad that one airline has discontinued alcoholic beverage service.  Now you know they make money from liquor on those flights.

I read another story that was shameful, just this week, but won't go into details here.  Seems like every week there's a story.

@gertrudecloset 

"Smaller seats, packed into a cattle car, TSA, along with everything else are bound to get on people's nerves." 

Please don't assume I am not keeping up. No way you can know that.  I'm on top of this subject.  

"Along with everything else."  Think about why passengers are becoming so unruly when they weren't before.  Everyone is asking that question.  What's causing that?  It's not only smaller seats, cattle cars, and TSA, it's more than that. 

Remember Newton's law of motion, “To every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.”  If object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A. 

In the case of punching the flight attendant, she might not have been object A, but something was object A to set this passenger off except if the passenger was mentally unstable. 

I'm sure you heard about someone angry at his boss going home and kicking the dog.  

A lot of people are angry at many things going on today, airlines are one of them.  They lash out when they think they are being pushed too far.  Unruliness is not excusable behavior, but for some reasons, it is understandable.

There are things I am aware of I can't go into here.  

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@Foxxee I don't know what one thing has to do with the other.  Pilots and Airline executives are not in the business of trying to figure out what's gone wrong with the human condition.  Human behavior is what's happening.  We witness the good ane benevolent side of it and then there is that other side of it that rears its ugly head.  Plain and simple.  This isn't just happening in the "air."  Newton's Law of Motion, notwithstanding.  People hurt people.  Airline execs and attendants shouldn't have to sit around and pontificate on why people behave the way they do once they board a flight.

[Lipstickdiva]

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Lipstickdiva wrote:

As others have said, this had nothing to do with mask wearing.  However, I don't believe anyone goes through the entire booking process, boards a plane and then decides they aren't wearing a mask.  They know from the time they are purchasing their ticket that they aren't going to wear a mask.  But they purchase the ticket anyhow and think the rule doesn't apply to them or that they will get away with it and when confronted, they lose their you know what.

There was an expert of some kind on a morning show this morning and he said the problem with all these flights being canceled (today it was more American flights as well as Southwest) is that the airlines are spreading themselves way too thin.  They have too many flights booked and then when there is an issue like call-offs, or pilots or flight attendants not making it to the next airport for their next scheduled flight, they have no one to cover and the flights have to be canceled.

I'm also not at all excusing anyone's bad behavior but the airlines need to start taking some responsibility for some of this.  First of all, many keep cramming more rows of seats inside their planes, which lessens leg room and squishes everyone in.  When you are crammed in a plane like cattle, eventually someone isn't going to be happy.  It's not like people fly for free so you get what you pay for.  It is often miserable to fly.

On many flights, first class isn't even that big of a deal anymore to fly.  It's better than basic economy but in many instances, it's not as roomy and comfortable as it used to be.  Again because the airlines want more money so they are putting more rows of seating in.

I also dont' understand why they cannot deny boarding to passengers who are already drunk and disorderly when boarding the plane.  DH and I were on a fight where a guy was obviously inebriated already boarding the flight, was being a loud-mouth jerk and ended up in a verbal altercation with the person sitting next to him.  Luckily it de-escalated quickly.  But that guy should never have been allowed on the plane.

And why do the airlines have to serve alcohol in flights?  Can people not fly without drinking?  Oh yeah.  More money for the airlines.                      

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@Lipstickdiva 

Why is hard to believe that people *will go through all of that and then act foolish when it's time to go?  We aren't talking about rational thinking people here.  There are subsets of people that want their way ~ when they want it and how they want it.  Moreover, some of the very actions they've taken (first class bookings; plenty of leg room) might give such individuals the false notion that they deserve to not have to wear a mask. There goes that pesky privilege problem again (being an American).

Do you think the airlines are lying about the mask fights?  I don't.  Do you not believe that people behaving badly on flights is a serious problem?  I do.  We have to weed them out and there should be zero tolerance for this kind of behavior in the air.

*For the sake of this discussion; going through all of that simply means clicking a few buttons and voila-----you've just bought yourself a ticket.

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@gertrudecloset I think you misunderstood what I posted.  I don't have any idea where you got the notion that I think the airlines are lying about the mask policy or why you think I don't believe people behaving badly is a problem on flights.   I never said any of that. 

We'll agree to disagree on the first class flights.  Again, I stated they are better than basic economy but on many flights first class certainly isn't what it used to be on some airlines.   

[SydneyH]

I avoid US based airlines at all costs.  Last month I flew on Iberia and a passenger insisted on leaving the plane after the door was closed.  He started a lively conversation with the flight attendant who asked him several times to return to his seat, the Captain opened the cockpit door and shut that foolishness down in 30 seconds.  He did however allow him to leave the flight but warned him his ticket was null and void.

[gertrudecloset]

@SydneyH Iberia is not a US based airline.

[SydneyH]

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

@SydneyH Iberia is not a US based airline.

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I'm aware of that, it's the reason I chose them over others.  International carriers don't seem to have the rash of passenger unruliness problems, or it's not being reported.

[on the bay]

I never thought there would be another side to this story-a flight attendant suffering a broken nose and others but there actually is another side and its a sad one!

I'm surprised no one brought this up.

Just read any news story about Brian Hsu, who is facing criminal charges.

Fro his account, and his mother confirmed this, he was returning home from having brain surgery.

He got up to go to the bathroom and the flight attendant told him he couldn't wait in the aisle. He stretched his arms and accidently bumped into the attendant. He said she charged at him and he held up his palm that she ran into-thus her injury to her nose. Then he put both his palms up to prevent her touching or running into his head.

Anyway, I am paraphrasing it all. The whole thing was unfortunate for them both. Other passengers said he went berserk and hit her in the face.

So there was his side.

And this is not my story, it is his. You can read all about it.

I'm sorry she was so badly injured but also feel badly for the young man. I can't imagine what it must be like to just have had brain surgery and the fear that I my head would get injured by a flight attendant rushing at me as he described.

I'm sure we will hear more about it.

But it doesn't seem to be just an irate passenger gettin mad because he couldn't get his way.