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On 11/5/2014 qvcaddition said:

A couple of weeks ago, a restaurant and I think it was San Francisco said, that if the wages were increased, they would put no tipping on a sign. They felt that if the workers received more wages, they would have to raise prices and cut out the tipping. That is pure wrong.

Yes, that doesn't sound rational.

I once had a boss who had some serious backwards thinking and it literally gives me a headache to try to think like him. LOL

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On 11/5/2014 Deb1010again said:

Yes, that doesn't sound rational.

I once had a boss who had some serious backwards thinking and it literally gives me a headache to try to think like him. LOL

In my last commission sales job, we were entitled to a 1% annual bonus if we made 110% of our annual budget. The annual budget went up 20% each year, BTW. We were expected to get new business to make up the difference.

One year, 10 out of 12 of us achieved 110% or more of our budgets. We were #1 in the company in sales to budget.

So the next year they eliminated the bonuses for everyone. They said they were surprised that so many had done so well and they didn't like having to budget for the bonuses....so they disappeared with no increase in commission to make up for it. We did well, exceeding every expectation, so everyone's pay went DOWN.

What a way to create an incentive for a sales department. Do too well and everyone suffers!

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Not all minimum wage job holders are "kids," but so what if they were? Our society wouldn't run as smoothly without these types of jobs. The better the pay the better quality employee an employer can attract, turnover is lower, etc. GREED is what is keeping wages low, IMO.

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On 11/4/2014 JobGirl said:
On 11/4/2014 Caravaggio said:

Nobody seems to ever mention the tons of people who have worked 10 or 15 years and are only making 20. an hr or less and they are skilled workers. Is it fair to them ? That someone who has no skill should be making 15.00 off the bat? These are usually office workers who are not making big bucks. But fulfill an important job skill and can not ask for raises. And have no voice like those who it seems have no skill and can demand high wages. JMO.


Most minimum wage jobs were not meant to raise a family on-they are meant to be entry level stepping stone jobs-as you move on in life you acquire new skills and be paid accordingly-

Minimum wage used to be enough to support a person, perhaps not a family, but a person could pay rent and buy food, and get by. But not anymore.

EVERY job requires a skill, even minimum-wage jobs. And they usually require a lot of physical exertion. So, should "brain" jobs pay well, but not "muscle" jobs?

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On 11/4/2014 terrier3 said:
On 11/4/2014 muttmom said:

Europeans pay higher taxes. The countries are similar in size to our states. Before the EU there was a vast difference in living conditions from country to country. The EU changed that. Residents of poorer countries, in general, live better but in the wealthier countries the life style is not what it once was.

If European countries can have their workers receive a living wage, free education and healthcare....we can do it - only bigger & better.

The lifestyle in Europe may not be what it once was...but the same can also be said here. The difference is that European countries share a larger portion of corporate profits with their workers - Germany is a great example.

A German worker at McDonalds doesn't get handed apps for food stamps and medicaid to go along with their new job. They make enough money to live on decently, with some left over too!

As of 2015 the German minimum wage will be 8.50 euros which I think is $10.61. They also live in a country that is more expensive than ours and are taxed more than we are. They have the lowest rate of home ownership in the developed world and are dead last in the EU for home ownership. The consumer prices are 3.04% higher in Germany compare to here. Their utilities are 57% higher in Germany than the US. Price of gas per gallon as of 10/27 is an average of $7.19/gallon. Transportation, sports and leisure, clothing and shoes and eating out is more expensive there than here. Car prices are about 20% higher than than here. The only that is less expensive there is rent and that is only in larger cities. If you make over 8005 euros a year the tax rate is 14% and up whereas here a $40.000 salary can expect an effective tax rate of 10%. The one tax that is less in Germany is the corporate tax rate which is 15% compared to ours at 35%. To say that a worker at McDonalds in Germany is making enough money to live and has some left over too is just not in any way accurate.

As for our minimum wage, I agree it could be raised but not to $15.00 hr. We have never had such a huge jump and while it may be sustainable for large corporations, it wouldn't be for small businesses and they are the ones who employ the larger percentage of minimum wage workers.

As a matter of fact only 4.3% of the our nation’s 75.9 million hourly-paid workers and 2.6% of all wage and salary workers are paid minimum wage. In 1979, when the BLS began regularly studying minimum-wage workers, they represented 13.4% of hourly workers and 7.9% of all wage and salary workers so that has lowered.50.4% of the people on minimum wage in this country are between the ages of 16-24 yrs old and 64% of the people on minimum wage are part time workers not full time.

In Australia where the minimum wage is $16.87/ hour teens still don't receive that amount. it goes by age.

Younger than 16-$6.21/hr

16- $7.98/hr

17- $9.75/hr

18- $11.52/hr

19 - $13.92/hr

20 - $16.48

And again their taxes are higher and cost of living is more expensive as well.

As for the stock market being fine, well how would we really know when $85 billion a month is being pumped into the economy and interest rates are being kept artificially low. We have the lowest labor participation rate in 40 yrs and the jobs that are being filled are part time not full time. I don't think this is fine.

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On 11/5/2014 DeltaOne said:
On 11/4/2014 JobGirl said:
On 11/4/2014 Caravaggio said:

Nobody seems to ever mention the tons of people who have worked 10 or 15 years and are only making 20. an hr or less and they are skilled workers. Is it fair to them ? That someone who has no skill should be making 15.00 off the bat? These are usually office workers who are not making big bucks. But fulfill an important job skill and can not ask for raises. And have no voice like those who it seems have no skill and can demand high wages. JMO.


Most minimum wage jobs were not meant to raise a family on-they are meant to be entry level stepping stone jobs-as you move on in life you acquire new skills and be paid accordingly-

Minimum wage used to be enough to support a person, perhaps not a family, but a person could pay rent and buy food, and get by. But not anymore.

EVERY job requires a skill, even minimum-wage jobs. And they usually require a lot of physical exertion. So, should "brain" jobs pay well, but not "muscle" jobs?


it doesn't take a lot of muscle or skill to work at fast food as opposed to building a house or other industrial /labor positions which many do require skill and muscle so no the wage should be the same-and yes "brain" jobs should pay more as they require more intellectual skill as well-that was a very general sweeping statement