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[Drythe]

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@on the bay wrote:

@lianne , @suzyQ3 -

I think you are both right.

Like talking to a brick wall here. No matter what clear research, facts etc they are given, they will stick to their own agenda. Koolaid is bad for anyone.

Not worth it.

You both had good words of wisdom!

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@on the bay   

@suzyQ3 

@lianne 

Some people don’t want to see, hear, or learn, their minds are fully made up

and CLOSED.

They fight like fury to have the LAST WORD, call others names, and make outrageous insinuations about the Intentions, and beliefs of other posters.

@pitdakota 

[pitdakota]

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@Drythe wrote:

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@on the bay wrote:

@lianne , @suzyQ3 -

I think you are both right.

Like talking to a brick wall here. No matter what clear research, facts etc they are given, they will stick to their own agenda. Koolaid is bad for anyone.

Not worth it.

You both had good words of wisdom!

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@on the bay   

@suzyQ3 

@lianne 

Some people don’t want to see, hear, or learn, their minds are fully made up

and CLOSED.

They fight like fury to have the LAST WORD, call others names, and make outrageous insinuations about the Intentions, and beliefs of other posters.

@pitdakota 

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@Drytheor they subscribe to the conspiracy theories and just know that it is the "real" news.  Love the stories lately about hydroxycholorquine and how effective it is without problems.  And yet, as a critical care nurse years ago I knew it had side effects.  It prolongs the QT interval of the cardiac conduction cycle and can cause something like torsades de pointe in some people.  Saw several people in our unit having to be on a respirator because of torsades de pointe as a side effect of hydroxychloroquine.  So I know for sure it happened long before this virus. 

They are still studying it in patients here, but evidently the complication of this coronavirus attacking the heart, it may exacerbate the trouble with the conduction system and cause more cardiac problems.  Too early to tell since the clinical trials are still going.

A good friend of mine had a family member in ICU with Covid-19.  They had put her on hydroxychloroquine before she was in ICU.  But she didn't make it.  So sad.  She was in her early 50s.  

But wait for it.....if it does turn out to have serious cardiac side effects in clinical trials I am sure there will be conspiracy theories galore that will be accepted by people that have absolutely no medical or pharmacological understanding.  Not to mention they no nothing about how the medication works and its known side effects well before this virus. 

[Drythe]

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@pitdakota wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

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@on the bay wrote:

@lianne , @suzyQ3 -

I think you are both right.

Like talking to a brick wall here. No matter what clear research, facts etc they are given, they will stick to their own agenda. Koolaid is bad for anyone.

Not worth it.

You both had good words of wisdom!

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@on the bay   

@suzyQ3 

@lianne 

Some people don’t want to see, hear, or learn, their minds are fully made up

and CLOSED.

They fight like fury to have the LAST WORD, call others names, and make outrageous insinuations about the Intentions, and beliefs of other posters.

@pitdakota 

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@Drytheor they subscribe to the conspiracy theories and just know that it is the "real" news.  Love the stories lately about hydroxycholorquine and how effective it is without problems.  And yet, as a critical care nurse years ago I knew it had side effects.  It prolongs the QT interval of the cardiac conduction cycle and can cause something like torsades de pointe in some people.  Saw several people in our unit having to be on a respirator because of torsades de pointe as a side effect of hydroxychloroquine.  So I know for sure it happened long before this virus. 

They are still studying it in patients here, but evidently the complication of this coronavirus attacking the heart, it may exacerbate the trouble with the conduction system and cause more cardiac problems.  Too early to tell since the clinical trials are still going.

A good friend of mine had a family member in ICU with Covid-19.  They had put her on hydroxychloroquine before she was in ICU.  But she didn't make it.  So sad.  She was in her early 50s.  

But wait for it.....if it does turn out to have serious cardiac side effects in clinical trials I am sure there will be conspiracy theories galore that will be accepted by people that have absolutely no medical or pharmacological understanding.  Not to mention they no nothing about how the medication works and its known side effects well before this virus. 

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@pitdakota 

Lordy, Ain’t It The Truth?

Thank you for your thoughtful, insightful posts, I look forward to them, they give me hope.

DH and I are volunteering on line with our state Emergency Operations Center.  It has helped us in this dark craziness.

[pitdakota]

@Drythe  Thanks to both you and your husband for your work!  Hang in there, we will get through this.

Have a good friend in the Charolette area.  Her husband is a physician and has been working with covid-19 patients and has just come off his rotation.  He is an internist that is also board certified in emergency medicine.  They have an adorable little girl around 8.

Anyway he knew a couple of days in advance that he was being assigned to work with covid patients so he set up his area in the basement and was going to stay there in order to be away from her and their daughter.

Well after his second day dealing with covid, he called his wife after he got off and told her to back the car out of the garage and set up a cot in there for him.  And that is where he has been staying.  There is an entrance from the garage to a half bath right as you go through that entrance and that is the only time he enters the house.  She has also been told to keep that door closed as he does not want her or their daughter going in that bathroom.  He wipes the bathroom down every night with disinfectant. He showers at the hospital before leaving and changes into his street clothes at the hospital, uses an electric razor, and gets take out food and takes it back to eat in the garage.

He has been adamant about not having any contact with them at all.  Even on his days off he rode to get food, would not let her fix any food for him because he didn't want the contact or her handling anything he touched.

He is now in his quarantine period since his duty is now over.  But that says everything to me.  Here is a trained professional that was shocked from what he was seeing and made extraordinary changes in his lifestyle in order to try and prevent any possibility of him transmitting this disease to his wife or daughter.  He has missed seeing his little girl.  They even skyped from his laptop in the garage and her in the house.

So those that want to raise a stink have no idea about the sacrifices these health care professionals are making due to what they are seeing.  And those professionals know a heck of a lot more than the ones drinking the Koolaid as you call it.   That and like my husband always says "Freedom has never been free".  And as a Vietnam Veteran I guess he knows that better than many.  So hang in there and thanks again for your work!!   

[Boomerdotty]

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Hydroxychloroquine is the ‘most effective therapy’ for coronavirus treatment: A global survey of over 6,000 doctors shows

Nickie LouisePOSTED ON APRIL 2, 2020

A global survey of more than 6,000 doctors conducted found that malarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment against the deadly coronavirus (COVID-19).

The survey conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, found that 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options..

Early this week, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued emergency use authorization of anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for treatment of coronavirus patients. Previously available for “off-label” use, the FDA now gives hospitals and doctors emergency permission to use the anti-malarial drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.

The survey also found that the three most commonly prescribed treatments are 56% analgesics, 41% Azithromycin, and 33% Hydroxychloroquine.

Below is a summary of the findings.

• Hydroxychloroquine usage amongst COVID-19 treaters is 72% in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, 23% in US, 17% in Germany, 16% in Canada, 13% in UK and 7% in Japan.
• Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters).
• 75% in Spain, 53% Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in US and 13% in UK.
• The two most common treatment regimens for Hydroxychloroquine were:  (38%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 400 mg daily for 5 days. (26%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 200mg twice daily for 4 days.
• Outside the US, Hydroxychloroquine was equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the US it was most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients.
• Globally, 19% of physicians prescribed or have seen Hydroxychloroquine prophylactically used for high risk patients, and 8% for low risk patients.
• Second global outbreak is anticipated by 83% of global physicians, 90% of US physicians but only 50% of Chinese physicians.
• In the US, 63% of physicians recommend restrictions be lifted six or more weeks from now and 66% believe the peak is at least 3-4 weeks away.
• Average Time for COVID-19 Test:
  • On average tests in the US take 4-5 days, and in 10% of cases the wait is more than 7 days.
  • 14% of US physicians and over 50% in all of Europe and Japan report getting test results in 24 hours; in China 73% of doctors get tests back in 24 hours, while 8% get tests back within the hour.
• Prioritizing Patient Treatment in Case of Ventilator Shortage:
  • In all countries except China, the top criteria for deciding who should receive a ventilator first was patients with the highest chance of recovery (47%) followed by those most ill and at highest risk of death (21%), then first responders (15%).
  • In China the priorities were reversed as the most ill and highest risk of death received ventilators.
  • First responders were more important in the US.
  • France, Japan, and Italy prioritized age.
  • Brazil and Russia prioritized higher risk patients

[Boomerdotty]

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Doctors Group Asks Arizona’s Ducey to Rescind Hydroxychloroquine Orders

BY ZACHARY STIEBER

May 2, 2020 Updated: May 3, 2020

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Hydroxychloroquine has helped over 90 percent of COVID-19 patients improve, according to a doctors group. “We believe that there is clear and convincing evidence of benefit both pre-exposure and post-exposure,” Association of American Physicians and Surgeons officials Dr. Michael Robb and Dr. Jane Orient wrote in a letter to Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey.

Robb and Orient cited observational data through April 20 from multiple countries about 2,333 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, some in combination with zinc or azithromycin. Of those, 91.6 percent improved clinically.

From some articles I read, zinc is the key.  Believe it does something which allows the blood to flow through the veins more easily. For those that like to criticize, I am not

an expert, or claim to be like they are. I was just passing on some things I've read to spread some positive news.  As stated previously, which poster said I was lying, I do know someone who was on their death bed (not ventilated), given these drugs, and were up sitting in a chair the following day.  She is now fully recovered, having encountered no side effects. The other new drug they are rushing to market, heard not so favorable results. 

[on the bay]

heaven forbid you are amoung the long QT intervals being given this drug!

But carry on with the recommendations! 

[RoughDraft]

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@on the bay wrote:

heaven forbid you are amoung the long QT intervals being given this drug!

But carry on with the recommendations! 

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As long as one has a tin heart!

[pitdakota]

@Drythe, did you see the news story about the guy in Texas that offered to manufacture millions of N95 masks  early into our experience with the pandemic, but was repeatedly turned down?

If not, you can google Michael Bowen, Prestige Ameritech, Ft. Worth Texas, N95 masks and it should come up.

Just thought you might want to read about that since we are talking about masks here.