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Re: Venting About Reduced Lunch in School Program

I think you should mind your own business in this case. For starters -just because someone is driving a nice car or goes on vacations doesn't mean something can suddenly happen at any time to drastically change their family's financial situation. You say you know their fifnancial situation for a fact based on 1 or 2 things - that isn't knowing anything for a fact other than - they are going on vacation. For all you know grandma and grandpa are paying. How would you ever bring this up in a way that wouldn't be completely offensive and embarassig? If you feel the form itself needs to be changed that is something to take up with the form itself - and whomever was in charge of creating it - being your state or whomever. 

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@CouponQueen wrote:

I know the subject of food stamps/EBT/SNAP on these boards is also a hot topic..

 

But I was recently behind a couple (eh late 50's maybe) in a grocery store where they announced the EBT was down and asked each person before ringing up if they were paying with that..as obviously it could not be processed. The couple in front of me did...she said to ring it up and lets see how much it was. It came to $101 and change.  He paid it with cash, then asked the cashier if he could bring his card back when the system was up and swap out..At first she said yes, but then thought better of her answer and called over the Supervisor, who checked and said no...He then became irate, sent the woman out to the car and was headed to see the Manager. I do not know the outcome..

 

The thing that got me was that every fruit/veggie was organic..every piece of meat was organic..every bottle of juice they purchased Organic..Impossible not to see since my items were on the belt right behind theirs.  all equaling a lot of extra money..and anybody can slap a sign on a product and say organic and really and honestly how regulated is it?  I hear the explanation..yes that Coach purse was a gift, he needs the iphone for jobs and communication...that heavy gold necklace was a gift or from before they lost their jobs..but you know to me and the rest of the customers it was like just rubbing it in our faces..I have seen people use the EBT card and try and not let people see..I have seen them walking around adding up their purchases with a calculator as they shopped and got behind them in line..totally shopping effectively and in budget..and probably the helping hand vs lifestyle..

 

Unfortunately we see/hear about the abuses not the ones using them proper and for a helping hand..

 

very tough call sometimes as it does irk the common tax payer who busts their butt working and budgets and does without the organics in their life..just to stand and watch somebody get those organic on the tax payer who is doing without..

 

I know 'many' think that is great..they are looking out for their health..no not great really in my book as those food dollars could of been stretched A LOT more if utilized a bit more effectively!

 

I am not going to begrude Little Johnny a bag of candy..several bags YES..several bags of chips Yes..

 

I have told this before being behind somebody in Walmart who had purchased a cart load of chips, snacks. soda and beer..all for a Super Bowl Sunday party...they used their EBT card and paid for the booze. Now we hear how benefits are always cut etc..so that family purcashed $125 worth of snack items..so what was their children going to eat in its place?? So yeah, I have issue with that too..

 


A very well thought out and spot on post @CouponQueen

 

The rules set for the entitlement programs in this nation waste millions and millions (and more) of dollars each year. Because it is, for some reason, politically incorrect, to assme that, let alone require, that people take care of their basic necessities before they ask for help. We certainly don't want to deny anyone their lotto tickets, iphones, extravagant foods like organics or lobster and steaks on the taxpayers dime, as we would be insensitive and judgmental. Darn right. If I'm paying for what you can't or won't, I certainly don't expect you to have better than I do.

 

Before any government handouts go out, there needs to be much stricter guidlines about what is purchased with our money. Food stamps (EBT) don't allow toothpaste, toilet paper, soap or shampoo, but do allow soda, candy, chips, frozen pizza, lobster, steak etc. That just is one mixed up mess.

 

WIC now covers so many foods that it once didn't. And instead of having to get the house brands of cereal, juice, etc, the top dollar national brands qualify. Why are we paying for $5 a box cereal on a federal program, when there is $2.50 store brand of the same thing available? Why do we pay for Jiff, when the house brand is a fraction of the cost?

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Re: Venting About Reduced Lunch in School Program

In the town I grew up in everyone owned a home - even the poorer people sitll owned homes. This whole OP doesn't even make sense to me.

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@ctinaw wrote:

In the town I grew up in everyone owned a home - even the poorer people sitll owned homes. This whole OP doesn't even make sense to me.


I've come to the conclusion that this topic isn't  really isn't about feeding children but more about the tried and true Welfare Queen argument.  

 

Checking out.  Enjoy the rest of your day ladies.


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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

I am shocked that you are making assumptions on who can and can not afford lunches just because you feel they are abusing the system. You have no concrete evidence but want to make a personal stink about this targeting families. And you will sit back and not say a peep when your town gets sued by these families lawyers for being targeted wrongfully for discrimination. 

How do you know who pays for what? You are guessing and apparently Nancy Drew you are not thinking about the consequences. That info that you are privy to is confidential. I can just imagine who you have shared this with. BTW, I live in one of the if not the highest property tax towns in NJ.  Amazing I hope someone reports your behaviour.


This line of argument is offered up by people who are either naive about what really goes on with entitlement programs and abuse and waste in them, or just need to clear their conscious by thinking if they don't balk at what is given to 'the poor', they can move on with their own life. Some assume that just because they wouldn't take advantage of the situation, that most people won't. 

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@CouponQueen wrote:

 

Sigh you will receive many responses on this ..it is a hot topic I am sure.


I am usually very conservative in the 'freebie' programs..In this case while I totally get your outrage..I agree with the poster that the parents probably have their priorities wrong and if they did not receive the free/reduced lunches..the kids would go without.  Unfortunate thought but it happens.

 

That said. What I have found is that many families are not "married" per se in the eyes of the law so the mother is therefore considered "single Mother" and eligible for many entitlements that she would not normally be if married.


It's a big reason why many couple don't get married.  Can't get the freebies when there is a legal marriage.  Sad, very sad. 

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@aprilskies wrote:

I think all kids should get free lunch if they are in school - bottom line.


I do too and NJ is a rich state, so what's the problem! I'm tired of people in this capitalistic country moaning about giving our citizens the bare necessities. It should be a right for all our kids who go to public school to get a free hot lunch. Just because parents have the money doesn't mean they give it to the kids for lunches. I can bet you most rich people don't send their kids to public school anyway.

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@sydsgma1 wrote:

@Isobel Archer wrote:

@tansy wrote:

Providing lunch for a child is a worthwhile use of my taxes.

 

 


Even if that means its at the expense of books and educational supplies? 

 

So then either teachers should continue to pay out of pocket for these - or what?  Raise property taxes more?  But if the parents can't afford food, can they afford higher taxes - she did say some of those on free lunch are homeowners - do you want them to lose their homes for taxes they can't pay?


I was an upper level school administrator, I can tell you that funding for free and reduced lunch is a federal program,. It does not affect the local school budgets. In my state, applications require a social security number and income is verified through that. A school secretary would not have that knowledge. 


Beg to differ on this one. Federal monies spent on free lunces, is just feneral money that just isn't available for other educational things. The money the government takes from taxpayers, they seem to think is limitless, but in fact, what is wasted or overspent in one place, is simply not being put to good use in other areas. Pretty much like a household budget. Only so much total coming in, be sure to spend it wisely.

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@nonstopshopper wrote:

If it really bothers you, don't look. It's confidential for a reason and it's not your place to decide who should or shouldn't get assistance. Circumstances change all the time.

What bothers me the most is you're judging on an assumption...and we all know where that leads. I'm sure there are some people scamming the system, but you'll find that any place you look. I just chose to look for the best in people because I don't want to waste any energy worrying about something that may or may not be there.


Somebody better start "wasting energy" not only worrying about what may be there, but finding it out and stopping/regulating/fixing it. 

 

How much longer do people really believe we can continue on this economic course?

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@sidsmom wrote:

Are these families following specified rules?

Are those families breaking any laws?

 

"...fill out an application & do not need to send anything with it

to prove your income."

 

If rules are followed & no laws are broken, 

don't blame the families....blame the system in place.

 


Both are wrong, the system and the family.

 

Just because it is legal, doesn't make it right, honest, or moral to do.