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Tuition-free medical school

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Would also like to see this for pre-veterinary students. Cat Happy

 

 

NYU makes tuition free for all medical students

 

August 1, 2018

 

New York University said Thursday that it will cover tuition for all its medical students regardless of their financial situation, a first among the nation’s major medical schools and an attempt to expand career options for graduates who won’t be saddled with six-figure debt.

 

School officials worry that rising tuition and soaring loan balances are pushing new doctors into high-paying fields and contributing to a shortage of researchers and primary care physicians. Medical schools nationwide have been conducting aggressive fundraising campaigns to compete for top prospects, alleviate the debt burden and give graduates more career choices.

 

NYU raised more than $450 million of the roughly $600 million it estimates it will need to fund the tuition package in perpetuity, including $100 million from Home Depot founder Kenneth Langone and his wife, Elaine. The school will provide full-tuition scholarships for 92 first-year students—another 10 are already covered through M.D./PhD programs—as well as 350 students already partway through the M.D.-only degree program.

 

“This is going to be a huge game-changer for us, for our students and for our patients,” said Dr. Rafael Rivera, associate dean for admission and financial aid. The school will refund out-of-pocket tuition payments already made for the current year, and return loans students may have taken out.

 

The move dwarfs efforts by other schools, including Columbia University and the University of California, Los Angeles, to alleviate the financial strain of a medical education. Earlier this year Columbia’s Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons announced it would eliminate loans for all students who qualify for financial aid, while UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine expects to provide more than 300 full scholarships between 2012 and 2022, based on merit.

 

The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western University, with just 32 students a year, has paid full tuition and fees since 2008 in an effort to encourage graduates to pursue academic and research careers.

 

Nationally, 72% of graduates from the class of 2018 had debt from medical school, with a median of $195,000 in loans, according to student surveys by the Association of American Medical Colleges. More than one-third of medical students also have student loans from prior academic programs.

 

Sixty-two percent of NYU medical school’s most recent graduating class had student loans, averaging $171,908 for medical school and $184,000 overall. Most medical students will still need to pay for about $29,000 in annual room, board and other living expenses; tuition had been set at $55,018 for the coming year.

 

“There’s really a moral imperative to reduce the amount of debt people have,” Dr. Rivera said, citing concerns that loan burdens are shaping career choices and might even be scaring some prospects away from going to medical school at all.

 

Schools are also seeking to better reflect the population of U.S. patients in terms of race, ethnicity, gender and socioeconomic backgrounds. Asians make up a disproportionate share of medical-school classes, but other minorities are vastly underrepresented.

 

The median parental income for new medical-school students is $125,000, according to the AAMC.

 

Most medical students who want to go into lower paying practices like family medicine and endocrinology can take advantage of federal programs in which their monthly loan payments are tied to discretionary income; their loan balances are then forgiven after 10 or 25 years, depending on where they work. With compounding interest, they often don’t make much dent on the principal balance.

 

The salary disparity for doctors can be stark. The four lowest-paying specialties, all in pediatrics, had average annual compensation of $221,900 or below, according to a survey of more than 65,000 doctors by Doximity, a medical social network for clinicians. Doctors specializing in internal medicine had average annual compensation of $260,000.

 

Meanwhile, neurosurgery was the top-paying specialty last year, with average compensation of $662,755. Thoracic surgery and orthopaedic surgery rounded out the top three, at $602,745 and $537,568, respectively.

 

There’s no guarantee that schools’ new scholarships will push more students into less lucrative specialties or underserved communities, as the tuition payments aren’t tied to any career commitment after graduation. But school officials are hopeful.

 

“If you’re faced with debts that you’re likely to have into your 50s, it’s got to have an influence on what you choose to do,” said Dr. Lee Goldman, dean of Columbia’s Faculties of Health Sciences and Medicine. Published tuition for that school is $61,146 this year; including living expenses, students can expect to shell out between $92,311 and $100,665, the school says.

 

Former Merck & Co. chairman Dr. P. Roy Vagelos and his wife, Diana, gave Columbia’s medical school $250 million last winter, with $150 million earmarked for the endowment that funds the new no-loan financial aid package. About half the class receives need-based aid.

 

Generous aid packages are a powerful recruiting tool.

 

Columbia’s yield, or the share of admitted students who actually enrolled, increased by 1% this year in the wake of the financial aid announcement, and the school anticipates an even higher yield in the future.

 

UCLA boasts on its website that students have turned down offers from the University of California, San Francisco, Harvard University and Stanford University to attend its medical school, thanks to merit scholarships covering all costs for up to 20% of students. Those are funded by a $100 million gift made in 2012 by entertainment mogul David Geffen.

 

“I don’t know of any schools that would not want their students to graduate debt-free,” said Dr. Roy Ziegelstein, vice dean for education at the top-ranked Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “All schools are aiming for that end result.”

 

Median debt for Hopkins medical students who borrow is around $110,000, well below the national median.

 

Dr. Ziegelstein commended Columbia and other schools for their financial aid initiatives. “I love it. And I’m trying to do the same thing,” he said.

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I'd like to see how they select students, and I think everyone should have to foot at least part of the bill for higher education.  I think it weeds out those who don't have the work ethic it takes to be successful.  

 

If everything is free, there is no incentive to succeed. 

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Terrible that the four lowest-paying specialties are in pediatrics - helping the purest and most vulnerable human beings.

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From what I understand about the prerequisites to admission to a medical school, undergrads working towards the MCAT's require minimum course requirements of one year each of biology, inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, physics and related lab work for EACH.  About two-thirds require English and one-quarter require calculus.  And this is even before applying to medical school.

 

I think these requirments would thin out any applicants who haven't the heart or stamina or incentive to last through medical school.  

 

While undergrads they are also expected to work and/or volunteer in related fields.

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@Sooner wrote:

I'd like to see how they select students, and I think everyone should have to foot at least part of the bill for higher education.  I think it weeds out those who don't have the work ethic it takes to be successful.  

 

If everything is free, there is no incentive to succeed. 

 

 

Yeah, because medical school and residency is sooooooo easy to "slide through" if you are an unmotivated person.   What a ridiculolus comment.

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@ChillyTulip wrote:

@Sooner wrote:

I'd like to see how they select students, and I think everyone should have to foot at least part of the bill for higher education.  I think it weeds out those who don't have the work ethic it takes to be successful.  

 

If everything is free, there is no incentive to succeed. 

 

 

Yeah, because medical school and residency is sooooooo easy to "slide through" if you are an unmotivated person.   What a ridiculolus comment.


Sorry, I agree with Sooner.  The selection process should be right up front.  I know kids with 4.0 gpa's in chemistry and microbiology that aren't getting in to med school.  PS and by the way, very well rounded and MCAT's right up there. 

 

If it's worth having it's worth working for.  

 

Tuition and all..I know NO poor MDs.  

PhD's...different story- Those are your resarchers and some are paid a pittance. (I work with them!). They are in overabundance and companies in my area know it. 

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@Sooner wrote:

I'd like to see how they select students, and I think everyone should have to foot at least part of the bill for higher education.  I think it weeds out those who don't have the work ethic it takes to be successful.  

 

If everything is free, there is no incentive to succeed. 


I agree!!!!

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First, I agree that this is generally a sound idea.  Everyone will eventually benefit from this, and perhaps it will attract more bright students into medicine, who might otherwise have been deterred by the cost.  I think that we all know this country will need more physicians.

 

Next, this is a private university with a privately established endowment, and as such can establish its own tuition plan.  Taxpayers aren't being asked to "foot" any part of the bill, as is occurring at major State level university systems.

 

Finally, I concur with the comment that you can't really slide through medical school. To say otherwise is cavalier.  NYU is probably pretty quick to find slackers, should there be any.  

 

Medical school isn't exactly the Rocks for Jocks class you can take in college.

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It could be a good step forward.

No one scoffs at athletes who go to college on a "full ride".

 

 

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I heard about this proposal this a.m. What kind of housing costs $39,000 a year tho? Is that a normal amount for any college? Seems pretty steep to me--thats $3250 a month??!!!  I think any $$ breaks for medical people is a good thing.