Trophy elephant ban reinstated - Page 2

ROMARY · ‎04-28-2010

Alert: No need to comment re: my last post. Just think about it.

'More or less', 'Right or wrong', 'In general', and 'Just thinking out loud ' (as usual).

lovescats · ‎03-10-2010

the symbol of the republican party. Made no sense why they did it from the first place.

ROMARY · ‎04-28-2010

Something I hadn't thought (of). Possibly others, too.

'More or less', 'Right or wrong', 'In general', and 'Just thinking out loud ' (as usual).

garmer · ‎03-16-2010

@lovescats wrote:
the symbol of the republican party. Made no sense why they did it from the first place.

US Fish and Game Service had a valid reason for the recommendation to roll back the ban. It is a sort of 'back door' way to stop the poaching by the locals, who are the real threat to the elephants.

Locals in Zimbabwe and Zambia see no value in live elephants. Extinction means nothing to them. They kill them without a thought.

Local authorities would be more likely to prevent the killing of these animals if they could make money on controlled sales of permits to bg hunters. This would give 'worth' to the live animals, and make conservation efforts possible.

I know it sounds all backwards and that's just a short synopsis of the reasons for USFGs recommendations.

This isn't a western society we're dealing with here. Romary's questions can be looked at in the same light. The corruption in govt in those countries is what keeps the people down.

They don't care about the fate of the citizenry, why would they care about elephants.

This is not an endorsement of the US Fish & Game recommendations, just a partial explanation of their intentions.

I don't know what the right answer is, or even if there is one.

dmod nj · ‎10-04-2011

It's amazing what bad press and social media can do!

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JaneMarple · ‎05-23-2011

@ROMARY wrote:
Slighty off topic: There are two things that have always 'bothered me' and that I've wondered about.
1. How exactly did the Wild West become civilized. I can't find anyone who has an answer.

2. Has anyone stopped to think about why A. (the country) has so many impoverished people when A. has been (for hundreds of years) rich in the trillions of sales of diamonds, gemstones, and other natural resources, perhaps coffee, oil, safaries, and whatever else. Seriously, it should be one of the top countries, humanity-wise. (No clean water. What's that about?. They have plenty of underground water, but no wells (or very few, when donated by generous, caring people/companies.) ) I seriously think that not many people have sat down and thought about it. Many other countries don't have A.'s natural resources, and yet their people are much better cared for, more or less, as a country.

Well, that's about it for today. Always wishing all well.

Edited: No need to comment, just think about it.

@ROMARY The answer to your question is;

COLONIZATION!!!!!!!!

You Don't Own Me- Leslie Gore
(You don't Know) How Glad I Am- Nancy Wilson

just bee · ‎03-10-2010

@garmer wrote:
@lovescats wrote:
the symbol of the republican party. Made no sense why they did it from the first place.

US Fish and Game Service had a valid reason for the recommendation to roll back the ban. It is a sort of 'back door' way to stop the poaching by the locals, who are the real threat to the elephants.

Locals in Zimbabwe and Zambia see no value in live elephants. Extinction means nothing to them. They kill them without a thought.

Local authorities would be more likely to prevent the killing of these animals if they could make money on controlled sales of permits to bg hunters. This would give 'worth' to the live animals, and make conservation efforts possible.

I know it sounds all backwards and that's just a short synopsis of the reasons for USFGs recommendations.

This isn't a western society we're dealing with here. Romary's questions can be looked at in the same light. The corruption in govt in those countries is what keeps the people down.
They don't care about the fate of the citizenry, why would they care about elephants.

This is not an endorsement of the US Fish & Game recommendations, just a partial explanation of their intentions.

I don't know what the right answer is, or even if there is one.

@garmer

Thank you for mentioning poaching. It's a travesty. One also needs to consider why there is poaching and who makes it profitable for those who poach.

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Burnsite · ‎03-10-2010

I am glad it is at least temporarily suspended. Depressing milieu these days.

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@garmer wrote:
@lovescats wrote:
the symbol of the republican party. Made no sense why they did it from the first place.

US Fish and Game Service had a valid reason for the recommendation to roll back the ban. It is a sort of 'back door' way to stop the poaching by the locals, who are the real threat to the elephants.

Locals in Zimbabwe and Zambia see no value in live elephants. Extinction means nothing to them. They kill them without a thought.

Local authorities would be more likely to prevent the killing of these animals if they could make money on controlled sales of permits to bg hunters. This would give 'worth' to the live animals, and make conservation efforts possible.

I know it sounds all backwards and that's just a short synopsis of the reasons for USFGs recommendations.

This isn't a western society we're dealing with here. Romary's questions can be looked at in the same light. The corruption in govt in those countries is what keeps the people down.
They don't care about the fate of the citizenry, why would they care about elephants.

This is not an endorsement of the US Fish & Game recommendations, just a partial explanation of their intentions.

I don't know what the right answer is, or even if there is one.

@garmer, I'm not at all convinced. Given the clear direction of most rescinded, revised, and instituted regulations or actions so far, I smelled a rat and then a rat under pressure.

But there is simply not enough pressure in order to remedy the turning back of environmental, social, and legal progress.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

garmer · ‎03-16-2010

I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. All here are free to read the history of the area and all the problems there.

Zimbabwe has just had a military coup. Mugabe is reportedly in custody, but has not been harmed.

Anybody's guess what will happen there. US citizens in country have been advised to shelter in place. For the immediate future,I don't see people traveling there to hunt.