Three Worrisome Trends in U.S. Higher Education - Page 17

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
The interest of employers in philosophy majors is not a new or whimsical trend. Forbes Magazinemade note of it back in 2008, in an article titled "Selling Your Philosophy Degree." The article reported that "philosophy students fit a profile that employers are seeking more and more," according to Mark Charnock, president and general manager of MonsterTRAK, a division of Monster.com. MonsterTRAK connects college students and recent graduates with well-matched employers. "“First and foremost, they’re looking for 'change agents,'" Charnock told Forbes.

Philosophy is a foundational element of legal practice. The "Socratic method," a standard teaching approach in American legal education, is derived from philosophy, as explained in a Huffington Post article titled "Why philosophy has been central to legal education for more than a century." Former students also find the training in logical reasoning and critical thinking that are core elements of the philosophy curriculum to be indispensable to their successful performance on law school entrance exams and in their practice as attorneys.

http://philosophy.ucdavis.edu/undergraduate/career-paths-for-philosophy-majors

ALL these fields will require a masters or PHD.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@151949 wrote:
The point is that a kid is better off to learn a trade - not have the terrible debts - if they are not seeking a degree that puts them on a career path. For instance - a kid really doesn't have any idea what he wants to do in his life. He starts college , has no career path in mind so he is going to do what they all do in that circumstance and take the easiest route to a degree he can. He gets a degree - probably with mediocre grades , can't find a job and ends up no better off than a kid with no degree. OR he can go to community college - much much lower debt - they really steer the kids into a career path - finish up in a trade school and with much lower debt have an AD and a certificate in some specific trade where he can make a living and support himself. OR maybe skip college altogether and get into an apprenticship with a union or something.No debt and able to work and support himself and a family. So what's better - a degree and no job/mediocre job plus huge debt or a trade with a job sufficient to support himself and his family forever ?

That's not true @151949. Anyone is better off just furthering their education, no matter what direction is.

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itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@151949 wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
The interest of employers in philosophy majors is not a new or whimsical trend. Forbes Magazinemade note of it back in 2008, in an article titled "Selling Your Philosophy Degree." The article reported that "philosophy students fit a profile that employers are seeking more and more," according to Mark Charnock, president and general manager of MonsterTRAK, a division of Monster.com. MonsterTRAK connects college students and recent graduates with well-matched employers. "“First and foremost, they’re looking for 'change agents,'" Charnock told Forbes.

Philosophy is a foundational element of legal practice. The "Socratic method," a standard teaching approach in American legal education, is derived from philosophy, as explained in a Huffington Post article titled "Why philosophy has been central to legal education for more than a century." Former students also find the training in logical reasoning and critical thinking that are core elements of the philosophy curriculum to be indispensable to their successful performance on law school entrance exams and in their practice as attorneys.

http://philosophy.ucdavis.edu/undergraduate/career-paths-for-philosophy-majors
ALL these fields will require a masters or PHD.

Yes, so can someone with a trade, say like a plumber ever get a Master's Degree? It is much easier to change career paths with a degree from a college, than a certificate from a trade school @151949

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Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@151949 wrote:
The point is that a kid is better off to learn a trade - not have the terrible debts - if they are not seeking a degree that puts them on a career path. For instance - a kid really doesn't have any idea what he wants to do in his life. He starts college , has no career path in mind so he is going to do what they all do in that circumstance and take the easiest route to a degree he can. He gets a degree - probably with mediocre grades , can't find a job and ends up no better off than a kid with no degree. OR he can go to community college - much much lower debt - they really steer the kids into a career path - finish up in a trade school and with much lower debt have an AD and a certificate in some specific trade where he can make a living and support himself. OR maybe skip college altogether and get into an apprenticship with a union or something.No debt and able to work and support himself and a family. So what's better - a degree and no job/mediocre job plus huge debt or a trade with a job sufficient to support himself and his family forever ?

@151949

You have nothing but fictional scenarios. I have no idea why you are so dead set against college, angry in fact, of course trade schools are perfect for many young people, no one is arguing that.

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
@151949 wrote:
The point is that a kid is better off to learn a trade - not have the terrible debts - if they are not seeking a degree that puts them on a career path. For instance - a kid really doesn't have any idea what he wants to do in his life. He starts college , has no career path in mind so he is going to do what they all do in that circumstance and take the easiest route to a degree he can. He gets a degree - probably with mediocre grades , can't find a job and ends up no better off than a kid with no degree. OR he can go to community college - much much lower debt - they really steer the kids into a career path - finish up in a trade school and with much lower debt have an AD and a certificate in some specific trade where he can make a living and support himself. OR maybe skip college altogether and get into an apprenticship with a union or something.No debt and able to work and support himself and a family. So what's better - a degree and no job/mediocre job plus huge debt or a trade with a job sufficient to support himself and his family forever ?
@151949

You have nothing but fictional scenarios. I have no idea why you are so dead set against college, angry in fact, of course trade schools are perfect for many young people, no one is arguing that.

WHY? because a college education in todays world leaves a kid with HORRIBLE DEBT.And if they don't have a professional level career with the income it brings - how do they pay that off? I'm not against college if the kid is seeking a career that needs a college degree - law - medicine - architect - teacher etc. But to put a kid with no career goals into college to just flounder around getting a degree, but not in a field that will produce an income and racking up huge debt is ludicrist.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

Why is the choice to rack up debt so irritating to some? It's a choice (and yes, sometimes a very bad one).

But unless one is being asked to pay for somebody's personal debt out of their own pocket-it is no skin of one's nose.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@151949 wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@151949 wrote:
The point is that a kid is better off to learn a trade - not have the terrible debts - if they are not seeking a degree that puts them on a career path. For instance - a kid really doesn't have any idea what he wants to do in his life. He starts college , has no career path in mind so he is going to do what they all do in that circumstance and take the easiest route to a degree he can. He gets a degree - probably with mediocre grades , can't find a job and ends up no better off than a kid with no degree. OR he can go to community college - much much lower debt - they really steer the kids into a career path - finish up in a trade school and with much lower debt have an AD and a certificate in some specific trade where he can make a living and support himself. OR maybe skip college altogether and get into an apprenticship with a union or something.No debt and able to work and support himself and a family. So what's better - a degree and no job/mediocre job plus huge debt or a trade with a job sufficient to support himself and his family forever ?
@151949

You have nothing but fictional scenarios. I have no idea why you are so dead set against college, angry in fact, of course trade schools are perfect for many young people, no one is arguing that.
WHY? because a college education in todays world leaves a kid with HORRIBLE DEBT.And if they don't have a professional level career with the income it brings - how do they pay that off? I'm not against college if the kid is seeking a career that needs a college degree - law - medicine - architect - teacher etc. But to put a kid with no career goals into college to just flounder around getting a degree, but not in a field that will produce an income and racking up huge debt is ludicrist.

It doesn't leave EVERYONE WITH HORRIBLE DEBT. But let's just say it does leave them with debt....what's to YOU @151949? You don't have to make those payments.

How did you become a nurse? Did you have debt?

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151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@itiswhatitis What can a person who has a degree in Philosophy do with just a BA that will earn them enough money to pay their loans AND make a living to support themself?

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@Cakers3 wrote:
Why is the choice to rack up debt so irritating to some? It's a choice (and yes, sometimes a very bad one).

But unless one is being asked to pay for somebody's personal debt out of their own pocket-it is no skin of one's nose.

Thank you!!!! I don't get it.

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itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@151949 wrote:
@itiswhatitis What can a person who has a degree in Philosophy do with just a BA that will earn them enough money to pay their loans AND make a living to support themself?

you need to look through this thread and find my post about Liberal Arts careers. It's in here. Find it, and read it.

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