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@151949 wrote:

So how does the person who gets a degree as a museum curator or in art history, communication or philosophy make a living in the real world?

These are all degrees that some of my friend's kids have degrees in.  In actual fact - the museum curator works at Walmart, art history is a SAHM - communication, actually has a masters degree - works in a grocery store at the deli counter and he is 35 years old. This is the only job he's ever had. Philosophy doesn't work at all and lives off his widowed Mother. 

You can go on & on & on about your critical thinking etc. but I live in the real world.


Careers for Philosophy Majors

 

Many of our philosophy alumni have gone on to a career in law. The ability to think and write clearly, to analyze and present arguments, is highly valued in the law profession. Philosophy majors have one of the highest rates of acceptance at law schools. Taking some philosophy courses that have a natural tie-in with law (philosophy of law, ethics, political philosophy) may be helpful but are not necessary.

 

For testimony from Catherine Holzle, a Senior Attorney with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, about how her study of philosophy at Maryland has helped her in her career, click here

 

For testimony from attorney Jason Weinstock about how his study of philosophy at Maryland has helped him in his law career, click 

 

Careers in the Health Professions

 

Maryland philosophy alumni are well-represented in the medical profession, both as practitioners and as administrators. Traditionally, medical schools look favorably upon candidates with a liberal arts degree, especially from philosophy departments. And the career paths taken by Maryland graduates are varied: psychiatry, ophthalmology, orthopedics, dentistry, neurology, cancer research. Many of our graduates have gone into health administration.

 

For testimony from Yvonne de Buy, associate director of management at the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research, about how study of philosophy at Maryland has helped her in her medical career, click

 

Careers in Local, State, and Federal Government

 

Maryland philosophy alumni have gone to a variety of positions in various government agencies, such as the Department of Transportation, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commissions, the Environmental Protections Agency, the Goddard Space Center, etc. The university’s location near Washington, DC, provides possibilities for government internships and later jobs.

 

Careers in Business

 

Business and philosophy seem at first glance to be poles apart, but, in fact, many successful people in business and industry started out as philosophy majors. Recent Maryland philosophy alumni have become stockbrokers, venture capitalists, marketing specialists, managers, editors, publishing industry executives, real-estate brokers.

Let’s face it: when you go to a job interview with a company, and you let them know that you are a philosophy major, your personal stock goes up. It shows that you are intrigued by difficult and fundamental problems, that your interests are broad, that you have a good head, and that you express yourself well. There is an aura about “philosophy” that often gives candidates a competitive edge in interview situations.

For testimony from real estate broker Adiatu Khanu, about how her philosophy degree at Maryland has helped her in her career, click here

 

Careers in Information Technology

 

Liberal arts graduates are now going into Information Technology in droves. The connection between philosophy and computers is obvious for anybody who had study logic, not to mention cognitive science. The interdisciplinary nature of the philosophy department at Maryland is an ideal training-ground for alumni going into professions where there are computer applications, such as business, industry, education, etc.

For testimony from David Kreisberg, a Technology Instructional Specialist for the Montgomery County Public Schools, about how his philosophy degree at Maryland has helped him in his career, click here.

 

Careers in Science

 

No other degree in the humanities produces as many scientists as philosophy. That may be because some students major in philosophy and in science as well. But it also helps that the department teaches philosophy of biology, philosophy of physics, and cognitive scientists.

For the testimony of Mark Lupisella, an astrobiologist at the NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center, about how his study of philosophy at Maryland pointed him in the right direction, click here.

 

For the testimony of Doug Powell, a statistician at the National Cancer Institute, about how his philosophy degree of Maryland has helped him, click here.

 

Other Careers

 

From our survey of career paths taken by our majors, we found that Maryland Philosophy alumni are working in a variety of areas, including foreign service, clergy, non-governmental organizations, teaching, academia, university administration. But we also found that many of them have taken several paths and have managed to combine their interests. The really fortunate ones have been able to combine their knowledge and love of philosophy with whatever else they are doing.

For the testimony of Deirdre Golash, who combines law with her background in philosophy as a teacher at American University, click here.

 

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EVERY ONE OF THESE REQUIRES A MASTERS DEGREE OR MORE.


This is NOT the post I'm referring to.  You're a nurse, right?  Means you should be able to read this thread and find the post I'm referring to.  Finally, not all these career paths require a MASTER'S DEGREE.  You have to start somewhere, and that would be with a Bachelor's degree @151949.

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@151949

"NASTY and not necessary and mean."

I didn't think it was any of the above. It was a joke about a typo or autocorrect-- we've all been victims of both. 

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 You know, there's something no-one has addressed. Something I thought was understood. Yes, tuition has gone up.  So have wages. The question isn't how much does an education cost today compared to previous generations. How much does it cost relative to wages and cost of living? 

If tuition was $Xk/yr in the 70s; what were entry-level, mid-level, professional salaries?

If tuition was $Xk in the 90s--?

What is the 1970s dollar worth today?

 

You can't discuss this in absolutes. It has to be relatives

 

When I got out of undergraduate school, we all had to scramble for work. We all took entry-level jobs.  Depending on the job, they paid little to nothing (interns). MANY of us have had to adapt to the vicissitudes of life and change jobs or careers more than once. Adapt or die.

 

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-fees-room-and-board-over-time

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@LinaL wrote:

 You know, there's something no-one has addressed. Something I thought was understood. Yes, tuition has gone up.  So have wages. The question isn't how much does an education cost today compared to previous generations. How much does it cost relative to wages and cost of living? 

If tuition was $Xk/yr in the 70s; what were entry-level, mid-level, professional salaries?

If tuition was $Xk in the 90s--?

What is the 1970s dollar worth today?

 

You can't discuss this in absolutes. It has to be relatives

 

When I got out of undergraduate school, we all had to scramble for work. We all took entry-level jobs.  Depending on the job, they paid little to nothing (interns). MANY of us have had to adapt to the vicissitudes of life and change jobs or careers more than once. Adapt or die.

 

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-fees-room-and-board-over-time


@LinaL scrambling for work is a whole diffent ball of wax depending on your age range so I would ask approximately how old you are as scrambling for a job was much easier when I was younger but has been brutal now that I am older (for reference I am 60).

 

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"@LinaL scrambling for work is a whole diffent ball of wax depending on your age range so I would ask approximately how old you are as scrambling for a job was much easier when I was younger but has been brutal now that I am older (for reference I am 60)."

 

@momtochloe

Ok. I know we all gloss over things when we want to respond to posts, but, you have to read what I said. 

"...When I got out of undergraduate school, we all had to scramble for work..."

 

I was 21 at the time I had to scramble for that first job. 

I don't understand your point as it relates to this thread and my last post. 

 

My point is that most of us (with all kinds of degrees in all disciplines) took lousy, low-paying  jobs in the beginning. Those of us with a modicum of ambition worked our way into better-paying and more satisfying jobs or careers. Those less motivated stayed at entry-level jobs.
There's a way up and out of summer-break type jobs if the person wants it.
I don't understand the entitlement mentality of thinking that your first job has to be anything other than a low-paying entry-level job with commensurate pay. Nor do I understand why a 21-year-old should have the pressure (from parents) of knowing what they want to do the rest of their life, either. There's time to explore. You build skills, work, save money and find where you belong. These things can be done. 

Of course there are those who know, from the time they can talk, what they want. They're the lucky ones. 

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@151949, you had a scholarship?   You said your grandfather won something from his employer and he paid for your education.    The employer didn't want to pay but your grandfather forced him to pay the tuition