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[Say Nay]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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They do Jubliant and I find this newest plea grab that is getting touted by some as insulting and so wrong. I had family murdered during the Holocaust to compare that with this as if it is the same. There were no fear of terrorist on those ships. I love the fact that nobody is making mention of the Yazidis who have NOT been allowed here or the Iraqi's who were not allowed here or any other group. 

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The MS St Louis was turned away from our shores because of fear there were spies on board. 

From BBC:

"Just before and during World War 2, the decision to cast group suspicion on European Jews and deny most entry on the grounds that with relatives and ties to Europe they might be spies or vulnerable to forced spying helped cost innumerable lives during the Holocaust,"Janell Ross of the Washington Post writes.

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Smaug wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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They do Jubliant and I find this newest plea grab that is getting touted by some as insulting and so wrong. I had family murdered during the Holocaust to compare that with this as if it is the same. There were no fear of terrorist on those ships. I love the fact that nobody is making mention of the Yazidis who have NOT been allowed here or the Iraqi's who were not allowed here or any other group. 

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The MS St Louis was turned away from our shores because of fear there were spies on board. 

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Not the same and you should know better. You reference that as history nothing to you. I often enjoyed your posts but this brings your thoughts into a different light. I see you will use anything to further your narrative. Considering I have family in both Israel and Lebanon I am dismayed at the ignorance shown on this board by those who feel they justly know the Middle East and what happens there. And the rest of us are fools and just running blind with hysteria.

[Say Nay]

@AngusandBuddhasMom If you think I'm not familiar with the condescending snobbery you're projecting, guess again. I face it all of the time with my husband's family. No biggie. 

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Smaug wrote:

@AngusandBuddhasMom If you think I'm not familiar with the condescending snobbery you're projecting, guess again. I face it all of the time with my husband's family. No biggie. 

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Oh your husbands Jewish family? Is that what your saying? 

[Mominohio]

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@Smaug wrote:

The overwhelming majority of Americans come from immigrant blood. Most come here seeking a better life for themselves, their families and future generations. The only thing they have is hope. Letting fear be our guiding emotion to decision making is unwise, even foolish. If we do this we have learned nothing from our past. To continue down this path means the thousand Jews who sought refuge in our country during WWII, were turned away from our borders and subsequently murdered in the death camps, died in vain. It's their blood we have on our hands.

We never know what will happen. Perhaps in a 100 years we will need other countries to accept us as refugees.

We need to do better.

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Don't confuse fear with concern and caution. When people on here or in general express questions, concern or choose caution with any major decision, there are those here that play the 'fear mongering' card. 

Fear would be dropping out of society, holing up in your basement, with family members on guard around the clock, 'protecting' your home and family from something that may or may not be real. Fear would be denying entrance through our borders, to anyone ever again regardless of the circumstances.

I have yet to read anything here that people are doing any such things. All are still working, shopping, traveling, interacting, and going on with their daily lives, but with a heightened concern and caution. 

And yes, we do need to do better, or we will be one of those people's who will need refugees status. Get our immigration/refugee policies under control, or we will definitely be there.

[Mominohio]

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@Smaug wrote:

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@IamMrsG wrote:

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@SydneyH wrote:

Hysteria?  Sorry,  but mocking people who have legitimate concerns about 'topic du jour' is not cool.

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But it is PC.  

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PC? Lives are at stake across the world. What a shame that's all you can come up with. 

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Lives and our nation are at stake as well. You have to be well and strong to help others. Take care of yourself first, or you are of no use to anyone, and actually become part of the problem. This goes for personal health, and the health and stability of the nation.

[Mominohio]

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@Smaug wrote:

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@60sgirl wrote:

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the immigrants who came here through Ellis Island came with a different agenda, the world's population who were suffering came here for a better life, not to blend into our society unnoticed until they could carry out an attack on our soil. They had no sophisticated means of technology back then.

And yes, I know there are some who are suffering and don't have that agenda, but there have been people around the globe for centuries living in bad situations for a long time. Bosnian refugees also sought asylum. here is an excerpt on that:

In mid-February, an 18-year-old Bosnian refugee killed five people in a shooting rampage at a mall in Salt Lake City before he was shot to death by the police, who have not been able to determine a motive.

The Utah killings spurred Mr. Mahic and some of his peers to form a leadership initiative intended to help young Bosnian refugees on the verge of falling through the cracks.

From 1992 to this March, the State Department resettled 131,000 refugees from war-tornBosnia and Herzegovina in the United States. More than 9,000 were placed in Chicago, many of them clustered in the poorer quarters of the city’s North Side.

The multiple jobs that many of the parents juggle, combined with emotional struggles left over from the war, leave them little time or ability to understand the very American

struggles of their children.

Who and how will the refugees be taken care of here. Housing? Medical care? Food? Jobs? Our government will provide all this? 

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On an hourly basis Americans kill far more Americans than those who come here as refugees.

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How does that even dismiss the fact that we need to not add to those deaths, by handling the influx of refugees carefully?

[60sgirl]

our own country is so fractured and not united on so many fronts that I cannot possibly see how something that is so divisive can be succesfully implemented. 

Some of these posts sound like nothing more than sound bites that would be used during a debate. Unfortunately, terrorism and all its ramifications are a lot more than sound bites. They are real and I somehow doubt that even the most staunchest defender of accepting refugees into a country that cannot even figure out how to help its own citizens lead productive lives with jobs, affordable heathcare, food, housing, and of course what has already been brought up though not with the intent of the poster who did, gun violence, would be jumping for joy if one of our stadiums was blown up by bombs.