These Apologies - Page 14

Another new name Sue · ‎03-11-2010

Honestly I don’t know what you are referring to either! People of color? Gay people? Labrador retrievers? I’ll keep reading to see if someone enlightens those of us who are “sound asleep.”

Another new name Sue · ‎03-11-2010

We are not hearing much about Bill Cosby these days. He must be happy for the distraction from his own misbehavior.

No doubt men have done this for centuries, however, our society no longer accepts it, and rightly so.

What puzzles me is that many of these men are fathers of daughters. I guess it never occurs to them that they wouldn’t want some pompous, immoral jerk doing it to their own children.

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

I find the characterization of these assaults as "misbehavior" to be interesting.

"Misbehavior" always makes me think of children doing naughty children things.

Not singling out anyone in particular as I have heard and seen lots of people use the term when describing the harassment and assaults.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@MarkeieMark wrote:
I find all these apologies so insulting. They were just saying Matt Lauer's was heart felt.

Really? Thery're only sorry they got caught. Lauer had a button under his desk.

@MarkeieMark- I agree with everything you say and Lauer is a pig. However, the button isn't unusual especially with high profile personalities and it's routine in the corporate world where many executives receive death threats and it's protection from disgruntled employees with ill intent. Workplace violence has increased over the years with the poor economy and the button was installed to keep people out. In Lauer's case, he misused it and locked people in. But, the security buzzer is commonplace today.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@Lipstickdiva wrote:
@Jackhound Mom wrote:
Hi Dotty,

What button? I haven't heard all the details. Thanks.
Cathy
Reportedly to lock his door.

I also find the apologies sickening and insulting.

It has also been reported that many, many people at NBC knew all along this was going on and nothing was said. It was a well kept open secret. While I get he is the offender, what about everyone else who let this go on without a word?

In a 2012 interview, Katie Couric said Matt pinched her butt all the time. Did everyone think that was funny? Was nothing done?

@Lipstickdiva- more importantly, why didn't Katie do something!

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@ALRATIBA wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:
@Jackhound Mom wrote:
Hi Dotty,

What button? I haven't heard all the details. Thanks.
Cathy
Reportedly to lock his door.

I also find the apologies sickening and insulting.

It has also been reported that many, many people at NBC knew all along this was going on and nothing was said. It was a well kept open secret. While I get he is the offender, what about everyone else who let this go on without a word?

In a 2012 interview, Katie Couric said Matt pinched her butt all the time. Did everyone think that was funny? Was nothing done?
@Lipstickdiva

NBC has to be complicit since someone in authority had to authorize the installation of the locking mechanism. Some of these women might end up owning NBC!

It should be a standard corporate practice that offices have glass doors/walls. Every place I ever worked over the last 30 or so years ... there were always glass panels on all office doors.

@ALRATIBA- security buzzers are commonplace in the corporate world and NBC is a large corporation that employs high profile people. The buzzer is meant to keep parties out, like a fan or someone with ill intent. Matt Lauer used it improperly but to have a buzzer installed is routine today and doesn't mean NBC executives were complicit or enabling him. It depends on the business what type of walls are present. High profile or famous people want privacy during business discussions and discretion.

cherry · ‎03-09-2010

I would rather get an apology ,than have someone smirk ,because they got away with it for a long time

I've seen male criminals in court do just this thing. At least ,if they apologize, they are admitting guilt, even if they aren't sincere

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@ID2 wrote:
@judy0330 wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
MSNBC reported Lauer raped a woman in his office, locked her in.

She lost consciousness and needed medical help, so he had an assistant take her to see the nurse.

Usually the courts don’t find an apology is enough in an attack like that.

I read about this too. My first thought was -- "And the nurse chose to say nothing????!!!!!"

Not just the nurse, what about his assistant that probably witnessed nonsense going on over and over again for years! It's driving me crazy that these women chose to never report this abuse at the time!! I just have a big problem of the credibility of these women that all of a sudden decide to complain years and years later. Kind-of sets womanhood back into the caveman days.

@ID2- having been a nurse, in a large corporation, the nurse can not treat a victim of assault and we know our limitations and legal responsibilities. I happen to have known a couple of the NBC nurses and they were excellent professionals. A conversation with a victim is protected and if the woman or man does not wish to press charges, launch an internal investigation or declines medical treatment re the assault, the nurse can not report it....we don't know what transpired during their conversations.

We assume the assisant was a female? Or was it stated it was a female? Many times these types of cases occur after hours or in the absence of others...Lauer was a serial offender and wasn't stupid; I don't think there were witnesses.

I was a victim and later on a team handling harassment in a large corporation. I reported it because my only other recourse was to leave a job I loved. I went to a senior executive who was my bosses boss; he was second in charge at our Company. He, a father of two daughters, encouraged me to use the process in place. It wasn't easy as he was very "well respected" and friend to the CEO. But, he was fired and I was promoted after a year or so....it was explained from day one of the process, that there was an anti retaliation policy as well. At the end of it all, the same executive thanked me for stepping forward because they had a number of complaints over the years but the women chose not to pursue the process so by me stepping forward it was collaborative testimony or evidence. So, I urge women to use a process in place at their workplace and most corporations have a policy, it's well published and it works. And you can save someone else from becoming a victim. BTW, NBC does have a policy.

EastCoastGal · ‎03-09-2010

They are fulfilling their own needs. They don't think about anything else besides getting their "high".

@Another new name Sue

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@esmerelda wrote:
@Drythe wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@DrytheWhatever job they wanted to protect by not telling what was happening to them.

That's why they kept quiet in many cases, right? Jobs in television are hard to find, blah, blah, blah.
@esmerelda

I don’t know why they kept quiet, neither do you.
But, I can easily think of several reasons 🤔. I try to do so coming from a place of empathy, not blaming and shaming.
@DrytheI'm not blaming and shaming. I want to slap them. I want to know why they let someone do these things to them and they kept quiet about them. I want to know why they don't have self respect OR self love enough to protect themselves at any cost. And if they themselves don't think they are worth that...well, I don't know who can help them

@esmerelda- you are a bit direct how you say it but I agree. As stated up thread, I was a victim and I chose to stand up to a powerful man within my Company. My only choice was to leave my job which at that time in my life would have a detrimental effect on my personal life. I actually went to an executive who happened to be my bosses ( guilty party) boss and asked about a transfer to a subsidiary. In the course of conversation, he asked my reason as I seemed happy and good at my job and he was sorry to see me go. I got emotional, cried and he got me water and told me to take my time and talk to him. He encouraged me to use the reporting mechanism in place because he could do nothing without an investigation and I had to initiate it and I did. It wasn't easy working day to day with my boss but he knew he couldn't retaliate and in the end, he was let go. But, I felt good after all was said and done....I had my self respect and I prevented his behavior toward another woman but more importantly, I substantiated claims by others who would not come forward with charges. Serial offenders always have a history and every large corporation like NBC has a process. Women/men should use it....no it's not easy but that's how you stop offenders line Lauer and others like him