The Kids are in Charge - Page 6

Natureluvr · ‎06-14-2018

Sometimes the parents try to get help and are brushed off. The saying “it takes a village” is so true. Positive adult role models taking an interest in a child may be very influential if other methods aren’t working. The attitude that it’s the parents fault doesn’t help anyone.

Desert Lily · ‎06-24-2011

States' dept. of education and school boards make the policies of how students are disciplined.

Many states & school boards have chosen "progressive discipline", which could mean that students have multiple opportunities for bad behavior before it's seriously addressed.

My SIL recently retired from teaching. She said there used to be a poster with her school district's policies on student behavior in every room. Students used to be expelled for bringing a weapon to school, physically attacking a teacher/staff member/student, bringing drugs to school. Expelled students were required to attend a public "behavioral" school for a semester or year or ?. 4-5 years ago, the policies changed & students were no longer expelled for those behaviors. It was due to the state's change in policies. (My SIL said some of the changes were recently being undone bc they didn't work.)

Principals came up with the idea to have classrooms in a separate area within the school for serious offenders in order to keep the other students (& teachers) safe. Teachers taught those small classes with monitors present & student counseling was required. Some students were successful & some

re-offended.

My SIL felt that parents were responsible for students' behaviors.

Students & teachers need to be safe at school.

@scatcat , I doubt the teachers stayed out of school at Charlottesville HS for a longer TG vacay. The federal govt. requires students to attend school 180 days per year in order for the school to receive federal funding.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Marp wrote:
@Sooner, a mature, well balanced, adult that is truly parenting and seeing beyond the immediate?

Then again, to go off on a bit of a tangent, I believe there are moms and dads, mothers and fathers and biological delivery systems each with their own distinct approaches to child rearing.

@Marp I agree. Some work and some don't. We just ignore what doesn't work because we now live in a perfect world where there is no right or wrong. Just happy people doing what they want to do.

bonnielu · ‎03-11-2010

I taught school for thirty years, now retired. When I thought I would go back as a substitute because the system is desperate I was told by friends NO WAY, find something else to do. Not a great place to be.

Mersha · ‎03-10-2010

This thread reminds me of what my parents and others of their generation said when I was in high school in the late 60's-early 70's.

I heard about my generation being the downfall of the country. Our outrageous music, the way we dressed, drugs, protests, morals, behavior, guys taking off to Canada to avoid Vietnam, and plethora of other things too numerous to mention.

How did this generation turn into something that would be so awful? I saw so many "head shakes" in those days.

I am in contact with lots of children of different ages. They are bright and work to achieve goals. There are problem children now just as there were years ago. Hopefully, they will find their way and be productive citizens just like so many from my generation did.

There is hope!

"My desire to be well informed is currently at odds with my desire to remain sane."

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Mersha wrote:
This thread reminds me of what my parents and others of their generation said when I was in high school in the late 60's-early 70's.

I heard about my generation being the downfall of the country. Our outrageous music, the way we dressed, drugs, protests, morals, behavior, guys taking off to Canada to avoid Vietnam, and plethora of other things too numerous to mention.

How did this generation turn into something that would be so awful? I saw so many "head shakes" in those days.

I am in contact with lots of children of different ages. They are bright and work to achieve goals. There are problem children now just as there were years ago. Hopefully, they will find their way and be productive citizens just like so many from my generation did.

There is hope!

@Mersha I think your parents were right and the root of many of today's issues was because of the things that changed with my generation.

Marp · ‎03-09-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@Mersha wrote:
This thread reminds me of what my parents and others of their generation said when I was in high school in the late 60's-early 70's.

I heard about my generation being the downfall of the country. Our outrageous music, the way we dressed, drugs, protests, morals, behavior, guys taking off to Canada to avoid Vietnam, and plethora of other things too numerous to mention.

How did this generation turn into something that would be so awful? I saw so many "head shakes" in those days.

I am in contact with lots of children of different ages. They are bright and work to achieve goals. There are problem children now just as there were years ago. Hopefully, they will find their way and be productive citizens just like so many from my generation did.

There is hope!
@Mersha I think your parents were right and the root of many of today's issues was because of the things that changed with my generation.

@Sooner @Mersha I think it is pretty safe to say that each generation finds the next generation to be contributing to the downfall of society. What they all seem to overlook is their respective parts in raising the generation they are complaining about.

What is Newton's law of motion, something like every action has an equal and opposite reaction? I believe it applies to much more than physics.

Make things too easy, fail to teach them they can't always have their way, convince them everyone loves them and before long you have a child that does not know how to cope with being told no or how to handle everyday stress or not being the center of attention so they act out because that has worked for them in the past. It is shocking how many parents are afraid of their kids even before they reach high school age.

What is good for the goose today will also be good for the gander tomorrow.

10sluvr · ‎03-10-2010

our schools have cameras, that they can use. Liberal school boards aren't supporting the teachers and staff and the parents are apparently MIA. These kids aren't prepared for life. This is fixable if the adults get a spine. Schools that have that much violence needs police presence for the teachers and peaceful students. Kids like this, don't get better once they graduate.

I feel sorry of the kids that do want to learn and get an education.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

I think Skinner had it right. You get more of what you reward and less of what you punish.

When you fail to enforce reasonable rules (no fighting or violence in school) because you think this will stigmatize the bad actors and they then "won't graduate," you just encourage more violence and you hurt not only those acting out but all the other students - and now apparently teachers - as well.

And just what, exactly, have you gained?

Mersha · ‎03-10-2010

@10sluvr wrote:
our schools have cameras, that they can use. Liberal school boards aren't supporting the teachers and staff and the parents are apparently MIA. These kids aren't prepared for life. This is fixable if the adults get a spine. Schools that have that much violence needs police presence for the teachers and peaceful students. Kids like this, don't get better once they graduate.

I feel sorry of the kids that do want to learn and get an education.

@10sluvr Ok, let's blame everything on the "liberal school boards." Come on...seriously?

"My desire to be well informed is currently at odds with my desire to remain sane."