The Kids are in Charge - Page 4

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@Ronettes wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@Ronettes wrote:
One 'plan' could be to expel any troublemakers permanently, which would force the parents to enroll them in an expensive private school.
If I had young children today, I would never allow them to attend public schools, they would be exposed to so many dreadful behaviors.
@Ronettes This plan would lead to some students becoming street kids, aimless without goals. Students expelled do not always end up in another school.

Yes, parents should be the first to raise non- violent children but not all parents can afford private schools either.

Which leads to another issue - why should a private school have to absorb the problem students because the original schools could not handle them?

If you put a jack*ss on a plane and fly across the country to a different location, it will still be a jack*ss getting off the plane.
Well that's the parents' problem -
No one wants their children in school with violent troublemakers, don't forget taxpayers are supporting those schools.
If you can't control your children, society and schoolteachers, etc. should not be expected to.

@Ronettes I was responding to your suggestion to place trouble making students in private schools.

As though private schools never have trouble. Trust me. I went to one.

Again why should a private school have to absorb any trouble maker?

Those parents are taxpayers for public schools too and while fortunate to afford private schools I am sure those parents do not want trouble either.

Well of course parents should control their own children. My eyes glaze over everytime I see that statement.

We as a society fail if we live only in our little world with no compassion for others.

Violent children are angry, hurting, often abused.

They CAN grow up to be angry, hurting, abusive adults.

We do not throw people away, especially children.

Programs for parents to develop better skills.

Programs during or after school for peer interaction and developing positive problem solving skills.

Not everyone can be helped. The world does not run that way.

Yet you believe taxes require moving troubled kids around and only parents can raise good people.

Not true.

Perhaps if you gave some time to help, your precious taxes would be better used instead of incarcerating those kids who become troubled adults.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@Lakelife62 wrote:
@chlema wrote:
@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:
I learned from this thread that private schools have no troublemakers and no students with bad behaviors.

Fabulous.

Sure they do - but private schools also have the power to expel those students. I went to an excellent public school in the city many years ago. There was a private school across the street that would expel any student that caused a problem and guess where they went then.
Private schools also have the ability to say no to enrolling certain tyes of kids. The public school system has to educate all kids.

Or try to...

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

Nightowlz · ‎03-11-2010

@Sooner wrote:
No consequences for bad behavior or law breaking in this country! We're just so sorry you have to be that way and we'll pet you and say "there there" and pay for what you need.

@Sooner

ITA? I tried to give you lots of stars but it would only let me give you 1?

Parents need to bring up their children not the teachers. They need to know that's not the teacher's job?

If the kids don't want to learn throw them out? It's not fair to those that do?

Was just telling DH earlier they all need a good $ss whipping. I got beat til I was black & blue a few times so what's wrong with it?

Kalli · ‎03-11-2010

A child can not be denied an education in the public schools. In my experience of 30 yrs as a public school Elem teacher, children with behavior issues are given many chances to improve. The first effort is always that the regular teacher tries to find a positive, reward based motivation strategy to curb the bad behavior while trying to focus on and reward the good.

If this doesn't work the guidance counselor gets involved. Admin also weighs in together with parents/guardians. There are many meetings, suggestions, trial and error strategies and maybe an IEP therefore the process can take several months and at times, an entire school year. It involves TONS of paperwork every step of the way as everything is documented.

If the student's behavior becomes extremely dangerous he/she can be sent to an alternate learning situation but that almost never happens without parental agreement and after every other possible solution over months and months has been tried and has failed.

During this whole process the amount of disruption in learning for every other child in that classroom can be enormous.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

So we don't punish kids for breaking rules - even when they are violently assaulting others. And we actually think this will prevent them from becoming violent adults later? Really?

Natureluvr · ‎06-14-2018

History shows that sometimes the “outcast” or bullied kids or ones with mental illness are often the very ones who commit mass shootings. There are so many factors involved. Maybe if more people thought about reaching and and helping some of these kids, they’d feel as though they mattered and just maybe it would make a positive impact on them.

deepwaterdotter · ‎03-09-2010

@Isobel Archer wrote:
So we don't punish kids for breaking rules - even when they are violently assaulting others. And we actually think this will prevent them from becoming violent adults later? Really?

Isn't it against the law, not just the rules, to "violently assault others"? Doesn't the legal system become involved at that point?

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@deepwaterdotter wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
So we don't punish kids for breaking rules - even when they are violently assaulting others. And we actually think this will prevent them from becoming violent adults later? Really?
Isn't it against the law, not just the rules, to "violently assault others"? Doesn't the legal system become involved at that point?

Of course it is. But if "The [Virginia Department of Education] would prefer that the data shows that no kids are being punished due to the correlation between punishing kids and a poor graduation rate. Administrators keep asking kids to do things that they do not wish to do and in the absence of consequences, the kids expand their misbehavior.”

Then they certainly don't want to call the police either. As someone else pointed out "incarceration" only causes them to become more violent - or some such logic.

But hey maybe if the teachers continue to refuse to put themselves in harms' way something will happen. Maybe.