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[Surfnturf]

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

On 5/15/2015 wookie said:

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

On 5/15/2015 wookie said:

This might not be popular with some, but I am going to say it anyway. I believe the best days for a thriving middle class in this country are behind us. We have become a consumer based society, but without a thriving middle class to support it. That's why I said what I did in my initial post on this thread. Welcome to the future.

I think you're right.

Well, I guess the only thing left to do is wring our hands and wait to die.

Why are your replies most always sarcastic when you disagree with someone here?

That's how I roll. Feel free to ignore me, if it suits you.

I see. Well, good luck with that.

[Qwackertoo]

On 5/15/2015 gardenman said:

I still think things are reversible and we can go back to greatness. Both political parties have finally agreed that manufacturing jobs are important. For decades there were those politicians who considered manufacturing jobs, dirty, polluting, demeaning, dehumanizing, etc. and did everything in their power to eliminate those jobs. It seems as if there's now been an awakening on the part of the politicians and the great majority now agree that manufacturing jobs are important and we need them.

All we have to do now is get those politicians to work together to remove the roadblocks that were put up, give manufacturers incentives to come back, and prevent any new roadblocks from being put up.

It wasn't that long ago that kids were recruited out of high school to work at good manufacturing jobs that had a path for advancement well up the corporate ladder. Good workers were competed for and rewarded, and even lesser workers could find well paying jobs. We can get back to that.

I still love the idea of waiving sales tax on US made items and such items having a special stamp/seal of some sort on them designating them as being made in the USA. Easing some of the regulations that are onerous would help also. Lowering corporate tax rates for manufacturers in the US would also help. None of these need to be politically radioactive and should be agreeable to enough members of both parties to get passed.Of course, there would still be political nonsense attached. The Left would insist that every worker would have to belong to a union while the Right would prefer none to belong to a union, but some sort of middle ground should be reachable. I don't really see where fixing the issue is all that hard. If enough manufacturers can be brought back it would even solve the immigration issue as we'd need more workers than we have now and that could open many more slots for new residents.

Manufacturing has evolved over recent years into one large plant supplying the world's supply of an item. That's a bit dangerous for if something catastrophic happens to that factory then the company takes a huge hit. I like the idea of multiple smaller plants spread across the globe with each factory producing the items needed for that market. If one plant runs into difficulties, the other plants could absorb their load and there would be fewer issues for the parent company. Things like tsunami's, earthquakes, political upheaval, can happen all over the world and take a large factory down. A series of smaller plants spread out across the globe just makes more sense than one large plant making the world's supply of anything.

You. Hit. The. Nail. On. The. Head. With this post.

Too many, especially here, are narrowly focusing on the movement, the astroturf one, that is the fast food minimum living 15.00 an hour wage battle.

There is no discussion of real solutions. Only the tired old arguments with so many holes in them that they can't possibly hold water . . . much less a successful and sustainable solution.

[Dam Yankee]

On 5/15/2015 gardenman said:

I still think things are reversible and we can go back to greatness. Both political parties have finally agreed that manufacturing jobs are important. For decades there were those politicians who considered manufacturing jobs, dirty, polluting, demeaning, dehumanizing, etc. and did everything in their power to eliminate those jobs. It seems as if there's now been an awakening on the part of the politicians and the great majority now agree that manufacturing jobs are important and we need them.

All we have to do now is get those politicians to work together to remove the roadblocks that were put up, give manufacturers incentives to come back, and prevent any new roadblocks from being put up.

It wasn't that long ago that kids were recruited out of high school to work at good manufacturing jobs that had a path for advancement well up the corporate ladder. Good workers were competed for and rewarded, and even lesser workers could find well paying jobs. We can get back to that.

I still love the idea of waiving sales tax on US made items and such items having a special stamp/seal of some sort on them designating them as being made in the USA. Easing some of the regulations that are onerous would help also. Lowering corporate tax rates for manufacturers in the US would also help. None of these need to be politically radioactive and should be agreeable to enough members of both parties to get passed.Of course, there would still be political nonsense attached. The Left would insist that every worker would have to belong to a union while the Right would prefer none to belong to a union, but some sort of middle ground should be reachable. I don't really see where fixing the issue is all that hard. If enough manufacturers can be brought back it would even solve the immigration issue as we'd need more workers than we have now and that could open many more slots for new residents.

Manufacturing has evolved over recent years into one large plant supplying the world's supply of an item. That's a bit dangerous for if something catastrophic happens to that factory then the company takes a huge hit. I like the idea of multiple smaller plants spread across the globe with each factory producing the items needed for that market. If one plant runs into difficulties, the other plants could absorb their load and there would be fewer issues for the parent company. Things like tsunami's, earthquakes, political upheaval, can happen all over the world and take a large factory down. A series of smaller plants spread out across the globe just makes more sense than one large plant making the world's supply of anything.

As always.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 5/15/2015 gardenman said:

I still think things are reversible and we can go back to greatness. Both political parties have finally agreed that manufacturing jobs are important. For decades there were those politicians who considered manufacturing jobs, dirty, polluting, demeaning, dehumanizing, etc. and did everything in their power to eliminate those jobs. It seems as if there's now been an awakening on the part of the politicians and the great majority now agree that manufacturing jobs are important and we need them.

All we have to do now is get those politicians to work together to remove the roadblocks that were put up, give manufacturers incentives to come back, and prevent any new roadblocks from being put up.

It wasn't that long ago that kids were recruited out of high school to work at good manufacturing jobs that had a path for advancement well up the corporate ladder. Good workers were competed for and rewarded, and even lesser workers could find well paying jobs. We can get back to that.

I still love the idea of waiving sales tax on US made items and such items having a special stamp/seal of some sort on them designating them as being made in the USA. Easing some of the regulations that are onerous would help also. Lowering corporate tax rates for manufacturers in the US would also help. None of these need to be politically radioactive and should be agreeable to enough members of both parties to get passed.Of course, there would still be political nonsense attached. The Left would insist that every worker would have to belong to a union while the Right would prefer none to belong to a union, but some sort of middle ground should be reachable. I don't really see where fixing the issue is all that hard. If enough manufacturers can be brought back it would even solve the immigration issue as we'd need more workers than we have now and that could open many more slots for new residents.

Manufacturing has evolved over recent years into one large plant supplying the world's supply of an item. That's a bit dangerous for if something catastrophic happens to that factory then the company takes a huge hit. I like the idea of multiple smaller plants spread across the globe with each factory producing the items needed for that market. If one plant runs into difficulties, the other plants could absorb their load and there would be fewer issues for the parent company. Things like tsunami's, earthquakes, political upheaval, can happen all over the world and take a large factory down. A series of smaller plants spread out across the globe just makes more sense than one large plant making the world's supply of anything.

Oh, well, hey, no prob then.

[60sgirl]

gardenman, good post. if only.....

the left and the right will never work together, it might make them unnecessary...

[Surfnturf]

Most corporations already use loopholes to avoid paying high taxes. Should they pay zero taxes? As always, most of the talking points on the right use lower taxes as a solution to solving all our economic ills. Corporations used to pay much higher taxes and remained profitable here on our own soil. Tax breaks will not satisfy many of them unless cheap labor is attached.

[Dam Yankee]

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

Oh, well, hey, no prob then.

They work for us and need to be reminded of that, from time to time.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

Nobody wants to work together for the common good. Not those who have the cash and influence to make it happen anyway.

It's every man for himself.

And no, I'm not wringing my hands nor clutching my pearls.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

Oh, well, hey, no prob then.

They work for us and need to be reminded of that, from time to time.

Good luck with that!

[Dam Yankee]

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

Oh, well, hey, no prob then.

They work for us and need to be reminded of that, from time to time.

Good luck with that!

You're the second person to say that to me today.

The founding fathers would have been shooting up the place, a long time ago. We've gone soft and everyone's got their hand out.