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[cherry]

@Cakers3  records are often sketchy in this venue, for others as well

My Grandfather had to use the records ,kept in the family Bible, to get his SS.  The court house burned down, and everyones  vital statistics went up in smoke

Thank goodness for computers

[Moonchilde]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

For those seeking documentation of Native American ancestors in this country-Native Americans were not identified in any federal census from 1790-1840.

Native Americans living in the general population were first identified in 1860.

Fire destroyed the records from 1890.

From 1900 Native Americans on reservations and in the general populations both were identified for the first time.

This explains why records are missing in ancestry searches and can deter finding Native American roots in those centuries.

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Thank you, @Cakers3. I knew there had to be a variety of reasons, but not specifics.

[goldensrbest]

My dads mom was from american indian ,she was half , my dad all all 6 of his brothers and sisters ,except one were dark,brown eyed, back hair.I tried to find out what tribe they were from,but just have never found out.Just what our country needs , stopping thanks giving ,I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cakers3]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@Cakers3 wrote:

For those seeking documentation of Native American ancestors in this country-Native Americans were not identified in any federal census from 1790-1840.

Native Americans living in the general population were first identified in 1860.

Fire destroyed the records from 1890.

From 1900 Native Americans on reservations and in the general populations both were identified for the first time.

This explains why records are missing in ancestry searches and can deter finding Native American roots in those centuries.

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Thank you, @Cakers3. I knew there had to be a variety of reasons, but not specifics.

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@Moonchilde  You are welcome. 

DH's great-grandmother was full Iroquois, but her story was lost upon her death and the death of her husband, including a picture of her in full native attire.  DH as a young child has a very vague memory of her  (she was close to 90 by then) but remembers that picture to this day.

[Moonchilde]

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@Cakers3 wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@Cakers3 wrote:

For those seeking documentation of Native American ancestors in this country-Native Americans were not identified in any federal census from 1790-1840.

Native Americans living in the general population were first identified in 1860.

Fire destroyed the records from 1890.

From 1900 Native Americans on reservations and in the general populations both were identified for the first time.

This explains why records are missing in ancestry searches and can deter finding Native American roots in those centuries.

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Thank you, @Cakers3. I knew there had to be a variety of reasons, but not specifics.

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@Moonchilde  You are welcome. 

DH's great-grandmother was full Iroquois, but her story was lost upon her death and the death of her husband, including a picture of her in full native attire.  DH as a young child has a very vague memory of her  (she was close to 90 by then) but remembers that picture to this day.

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@Cakers3, I had a photo of this great-grandmother, and she certainly looked like she was NA. Interestingly, my mother was often told she had “exotic” looks, especially as a child, and photos of her as a child do look as if her heritage was visible if you knew it was there; she did not know until she was in her 60s - her own mother never told her, and she learned from her aunt after her mother’s death. I don’t doubt it, because it was commonly known even to seond cousins.  I lost that photo, along with all family photos and memorabilia, in a fire.

Funny, she never sunburned, even without suntan lotion. I, OTOH, take after the English/Irish/Scots in the family and sunburn if I blink.

[september]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

@september, it’s interesting that our Thanksgiving (including keeping the exact US day) is becoming so popular in the UK (I’ve done some reading up). I think it’s cool :-)

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Just to clarify...they live in this country now, and have become  citizens. 

They've thoroughly embraced this holiday and do the deep fried turkey, the ham, and all the sides.  They live in the south, so do things the traditional southern way.

Daughter's boyfriend is coming here for Thanksgiving, so I kinda feel a bit more pressure to go all out!  

[millieshops]

@Annabellethecat66You're probably right that most people don't go to libraries, but I don't think it's an any more kind of thing.  Most people probably never went to them.

One thing I do know is that a few years ago when there the local library underwent a major revonation, they added at least 50 parking spaces, maybe even twice that number, and very often I end up parking in the back most row.  I'm thrilled that so very many people doi use our library.  I don't send kids to public school and I try very hard not to involve the police in my life, but the taxes I pay for the public library -  they're some of the best $$$$ I spend year after year.

On the Thanksgiving issue -  in my newspaper this week there was a wonderful column by Rabbi Gelman (who used to be partnered by Father Hartman before his fatal illness).  The point of the column was that Thanksgiving is actually the one holiday that is not associated with a particular religion and which is celebrated by more of us than any other holiday on the calendar. 

[Snowpuppy]

Let's not forget that our Canadian neighbors also celebrate a Thanksgiving Day, much as we do in the US. And nobody sailed into Downtown Toronto.  

My grandparents were European immigrants and gave thanks for what they had. Period.

All that said, can't we all be respectful of other's beliefs without a microscope and lectern?

[Moonchilde]

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@september wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

@september, it’s interesting that our Thanksgiving (including keeping the exact US day) is becoming so popular in the UK (I’ve done some reading up). I think it’s cool :-)

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Just to clarify...they live in this country now, and have become  citizens. 

They've thoroughly embraced this holiday and do the deep fried turkey, the ham, and all the sides.  They live in the south, so do things the traditional southern way.

Daughter's boyfriend is coming here for Thanksgiving, so I kinda feel a bit more pressure to go all out!  

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Yes, @september, I understood that you meant they are living here. But I was surprised to see many references online that it’s becoming a popular observation in the UK, which is neat I think :-)

We tried deep fried once. Fortunately it was for a crowd and there was also a small roast turkey and we also had ham, because our deep fried turkey didn’t turn out all that yummy; it was pretty dry, as I recall. I don’t think anyone in the family has bothered to try again.

RE the other thread and my visit today for tea - there was a table next to me with a British mother and daughter and their American friend. The Brits would not drink the hot tea (it tasted like most other non-American loose-leafed potted teas I’ve been served) and had iced tea. When I hosted a group of Englishwomen in SoCal years ago, they unanimously detested the whole idea of iced tea and considered it more than gross. The ladies at table today proclaimed the hot tea was “too strong” - it wasn’t, it was just average British blend tea. Strange!