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This article is long and I haven't copied all of it.  For those concerned about the slowness and lack of testing, it explains a lot.  

 

From the New York Times:  Mar 10

 

Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.


In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area. Critical questions needed answers: Had the man infected anyone else? Was the deadly virus already lurking in other communities and spreading?


As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

 

To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside of China, where the infection began.

By Feb. 25, Dr. Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval.


What came back confirmed their worst fear. They quickly had a positive test from a local teenager with no recent travel history. The coronavirus had already established itself on American soil without anybody realizing it.

 

Federal and state officials said the flu study could not be repurposed because it did not have explicit permission from research subjects; the labs were also not certified for clinical work. While acknowledging the ethical questions, Dr. Chu and others argued there should be more flexibility in an emergency during which so many lives could be lost. On Monday night, state regulators told them to stop testing altogether.

 

The failure to tap into the flu study, detailed here for the first time, was just one in a series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier. Instead, local officials across the country were left to work in the dark as the crisis grew undetected and exponentially.


Even now, after weeks of mounting frustration toward federal agencies over flawed test kits and burdensome rules, states with growing cases such as New York and California are struggling to test widely for the coronavirus. The continued delays have made it impossible for officials to get a true picture of the scale of the growing outbreak, which has now spread to at least 36 states and Washington, D.C.

 

Dr. Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in an interview on Friday that acting quickly was critical for combating an outbreak. “Time matters,” he said.

 

The C.D.C.’s own effort to create a system for monitoring the virus around the country, using established government surveillance networks for the flu, has not yet built steam. And as late as last week, after expanding authorizations for commercial and academic institutions to make tests, administration officials provided conflicting accounts of when a significant increase in tests would be available.

 

But it remains unclear how many Americans have been tested for the coronavirus. The C.D.C. says approximately 8,500 specimens or nose swabs have been taken since the beginning of the outbreak — a figure that is almost certainly larger than the number of people tested since one person can have multiple swabs. By comparison, South Korea, which discovered its first case around the same time as the United States, has reported having the capacity to test roughly 10,000 people a day since late February.

 

As soon as the genetic sequence of the coronavirus was published in January, the C.D.C.’s first job was to develop a diagnostic test. “That’s our prime mission,” Dr. Redfield said, “to get eyes on this thing.”

 

The agency also released criteria for deciding which individuals should be tested for the virus — at first only those who had a fever and respiratory issues and had traveled from the outbreak’s origin in Wuhan, China.


The criteria were so strict that the sick man in the Seattle area who had visited Wuhan did not meet it. Still, worried state health officials pushed to get him checked, and the C.D.C. agreed. Local officials sent a sample to Atlanta and the results came back positive.

 

Dr. Scott F. Dowell, a former high-ranking C.D.C. official and a current deputy director at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which funds the Seattle Flu Study, asked for help from the leaders of the C.D.C.’s coronavirus response. “Hoping there is a solution,” he wrote on Feb. 10.


Later, Dr. Lindquist, the state epidemiologist in Washington, wrote an email to Dr. Alicia Fry, the chief of the C.D.C.’s epidemiology and prevention branch, requesting the study be used to test for the coronavirus.

 

C.D.C. officials repeatedly said it would not be possible. “If you want to use your test as a screening tool, you would have to check with F.D.A.,” Gayle Langley, an officer at the C.D.C.’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, wrote back in an email on Feb. 16. But the F.D.A. could not offer the approval because the lab was not certified as a clinical laboratory under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a process that could take months.


Dr. Chu and Dr. Lindquist tried repeatedly to wrangle approval to use the Seattle Flu Study. The answers were always no.


“We felt like we were sitting, waiting for the pandemic to emerge,” Dr. Chu said. “We could help. We couldn’t do anything.”

 

The C.D.C. had designed its own test as it typically does during an outbreak. Several other countries also developed their own tests.


But when the C.D.C. shipped test kits to public labs across the country, some local health officials began reporting that the test was producing invalid results.

 

The C.D.C. promised that replacement kits would be distributed within days, but the problem stretched on for over two weeks. Only five state laboratories were able to test in that period. Washington and New York were not among them.


By Feb. 24, as new cases of the virus began popping up in the United States, the state labs were growing frantic.


The Association of Public Health Laboratories made what it called an “extraordinary and rare request” of Dr. Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the F.D.A., asking him to use his discretion to allow state and local public health laboratories to create their own tests for the virus.

 

“We are now many weeks into the response with still no diagnostic or surveillance test available outside of C.D.C. for the vast majority of our member laboratories,” Scott Becker, the chief executive of the association, wrote in a letter to Dr. Hahn.


Dr. Hahn responded two days later, saying in a letter that “false diagnostic test results can lead to significant adverse public health consequences” and that the laboratories were welcome to submit their own tests for emergency authorization.


But the approval process for laboratory-developed tests was proving onerous. Private and university clinical laboratories, which typically have the latitude to develop their own tests, were frustrated about the speed of the F.D.A. as they prepared applications for emergency approvals from the agency for their coronavirus tests.

 

Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor at the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle, said he became exasperated in mid-February as he communicated with the F.D.A. over getting his application ready to begin testing. “This virus is faster than the F.D.A.,” he said, adding that at one point the agency required him to submit materials through the mail in addition to over email.

 

New tests typically require validation — running the test on known positive samples from a patient or a copy of the virus genome. The F.D.A.’s process called for five. Obtaining such samples has been hard because most hospital labs have not seen coronavirus cases yet, said Dr. Karen Kaul, chair of the department of pathology and laboratory medicine at NorthShore University HealthSystem in Illinois.

 

 

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Additionally the WHO, on Jan 14 tweeted that the coronavirus was not a threat and cited Chinese officials saying it was not transmitted human to human.

 

This gave support to those who opposed the Jan travel ban involving China.

 

This is why I don't have full confidence in WHO and CDC.

 

They may be on track now - or they may not.  

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@Isobel Archer  WOW!! Ty for posting this. Unreal that we could have had almost a MONTH jump on this thing IF those in power would have just listened. Geez.

I had no idea that the WHO said that about it not being a threat. Crazy. It does make you wonder really WHO (pun intended) can you trust? :-(

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And at the "origin" end, the core, stark reality is that heroic Dr. Li Wenliang, who initially sounded the alarm of the virus in China, was punished and suppressed-- as were others-- by their government who at the time was engaged in covering up.  I saw that Jonathan Swan of Axios has said that a University of Southampton study found that there would have been a 95% reduction in cases and less spread if those authorities had intervened 3 weeks earlier. 

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Re: Testing and the CDC/FDA

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@Oznell wrote:

And at the "origin" end, the core, stark reality is that heroic Dr. Li Wenliang, who initially sounded the alarm of the virus in China, was punished and suppressed-- as were others-- by their government who at the time was engaged in covering up.  I saw that Jonathan Swan of Axios has said that a University of Southampton study found that there would have been a 95% reduction in cases and less spread if those authorities had intervened 3 weeks earlier. 


 

He was golfing that weekend and said not to worry that it would go away with warm weather

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It was the Chinese authorities who hid, suppressed, and failed to act, as cited in the widely reported University of Southampton study.

 

History must not be re-written, and Chinese propaganda efforts are hard at work both there and in the U.S., unfortunately.

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@Oznell wrote:

And at the "origin" end, the core, stark reality is that heroic Dr. Li Wenliang, who initially sounded the alarm of the virus in China, was punished and suppressed-- as were others-- by their government who at the time was engaged in covering up.  I saw that Jonathan Swan of Axios has said that a University of Southampton study found that there would have been a 95% reduction in cases and less spread if those authorities had intervened 3 weeks earlier. 


Heroic indeed.  And now poor Dr. Li Wenliang is dead.  

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@hopi wrote:

@Oznell wrote:

And at the "origin" end, the core, stark reality is that heroic Dr. Li Wenliang, who initially sounded the alarm of the virus in China, was punished and suppressed-- as were others-- by their government who at the time was engaged in covering up.  I saw that Jonathan Swan of Axios has said that a University of Southampton study found that there would have been a 95% reduction in cases and less spread if those authorities had intervened 3 weeks earlier. 


 

He was golfing that weekend and said not to worry that it would go away with warm weather


And yet, he was the one who acted while others did not.  

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The current testing is PCR testing that looks for the RNA of the virus itself. It doesn't really help anything. If you've had the virus and cleared it, you'll test negative even though you had it. Once antibody testing becomes available, that will allow those with the antibodies (those who have been exposed and fought off the virus) to resume normal lives. 

 

We're looking at a two-tiered system developing in the US in the very near future where those with the right antibodies will be able to resume their normal lives while those without the right antibodies will still be facing restrictions. If you're antibody-positive (you've been infected) and antigen-negative (you fought it off) you will be essentially immune to it and can do whatever you would normally be doing.

 

We'll eventually get to a point where the virus becomes a non-issue, but it'll take some time to reach that point. Typical viral outbreaks do get zapped in the warmer months where you have longer days and more sun exposure. Viral RNA tends not to like ultraviolet light and that same sunlight that gives us all lovely tans tends to wipe out viruses. Also, vitamin D levels increase in the summer months making it somewhat easier for our bodies to fight off viruses and other issues. Will coronavirus respond like others have? We don't know. We'll find out come the summer. 

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As of January 31, while WHO did declare a global public health emergency, they were still opposed to countries closing borders with China or restricting access to Chinese travelers.  WHO also said China deserved respect for the way they were handling the outbreak.