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01-18-2018 03:27 PM
@holly&ivy I am not permitted to take anything home from the school...nothing at all or I would take it and donate it. There is an after school program near where I live that desperately needs school supplies due to the high number of poor children who go there. It is in a different school district, so they won’t share.
Our school district also has hundreds of children who come to the US legally for their education. Once they graduate, they go back to their home countries. The kids say they will be able to get better jobs at home. Their parents are educated and not poor. The kids are sent to live with family in the US until they graduate. They are not citizens and don’t want to be. They brag about how much better things are in their country, while they take whatever is given to them here.
One child came here because he needed hearing aids. Once he got the hearing aids, paid for by the US government, he went back home.
These kids come here speaking no english, so the school must hire ESL teachers and the education for these children is very high. I have to admit that they are good students and really study hard, but they are getting a free education on the tax payers dime, clearly taking advantage of us.
Our education system needs an overhaul. One of these days, we are going to collapse when we run out of money.
01-18-2018 03:33 PM
@Carmie wrote:@holly&ivy I am not permitted to take anything home from the school...nothing at all or I would take it and donate it. There is an after school program near where I live that desperately needs school supplies due to the high number of poor children who go there. It is in a different school district, so they won’t share.
Our school district also has hundreds of children who come to the US legally for their education. Once they graduate, they go back to their home countries. The kids say they will be able to get better jobs at home. Their parents are educated and not poor. The kids are sent to live with family in the US until they graduate. They are not citizens and don’t want to be. They brag about how much better things are in their country, while they take whatever is given to them here.
One child came here because he needed hearing aids. Once he got the hearing aids, paid for by the US government, he went back home.
These kids come here speaking no english, so the school must hire ESL teachers and the education for these children is very high. I have to admit that they are good students and really study hard, but they are getting a free education on the tax payers dime, clearly taking advantage of us.
Our education system needs an overhaul. One of these days, we are going to collapse when we run out of money.
@Carmie you can donate this part:
Several school buses stop in front my my house to pick kids up. A few times a week, I have to go out and pick up pencils, pens, crayons and markers. You should see the supply I have. All of this stuff is new.
01-18-2018 03:35 PM
@beckyb1012 wrote:I got the chicken pox right after my little brother and little sister came home from daycare with it back in 1968 and Mom had to stay home with us. I overheard her on the phone call her boss that first day I was home from school with the pox and should have been her first day back to work. She next called my Grandmother and I heard her say "Oh Mother, he fired me." This was many decades ago but she never thought he owed her her job since she was a divorced woman with three children and someone had to stay with them for sickness.
For myself I opted to be a stay at home Mom after being raised in daycare and gave up many material things over the years to stay home until my child was in high school. One income some years was very hard sometimes better.
Hearing my Mom cry over loosing her job because of my being sick was very hard and still is hard but it was life and she knew that and raised me accordingly.
I must admit when I told her as a grown-up I overheard those calls it crushed her.
I think life at times was very hard for your mother, and she is part of a breed that we don't see as much anymore. She took responsibility for what was hers. She was a strong and honorable and proud woman, it sounds like, and and I admire her strength.
And what I think many people fail to see, is that hard or not, your family came through. Somehow we now have the idea that we have to go to any length to make life easy for people, all people, regardless of the cost.
And not just the financial cost of things. But the cost of not learning lessons, not learning responsibility.
You learned from the hard times your mother faced (and you too as a child, because to hear and know what you did was a painful truth), to plan, sacrifice, and understand how 'unfair' life could be.
When people are constantly bailed out of their troubles, forgiven or given special favors, they don't learn to do for themselves, cope, figure it out, be strong.
My mom, in the 1970's worked for a man that was as uncooperative and lacked understanding like your mother's boss. I know she worried about loosing her job constantly (as after a point she was the only one working when my dad was sick and dying). It isn't a great place to be, but I honestly believe what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and we kids learned a lot from it. Everything from getting an education so you have choices (she really didn't have a lot of employment choices then because of lack of education, skills and my dad's illness), to planning as best you can, to building a community of support, to the fact that life is sometimes not fair, to being strong and doing what has to be done.
01-18-2018 03:38 PM
Oh brother.
01-18-2018 03:38 PM - edited 01-18-2018 03:42 PM
@LizzieInSRQ wrote:
@blackhole99 wrote:What are the parents supposed to do? Most everyone needs to work and can't stay home with their sick kids. We better start demanding more from the powers that be as far as day care and time off with pay when your kids are sick. This is a poor and middle class issue yet we are not fighting for it. The money has to come from somewhere, either out of your own pocket or an increase in taxes.
Well the money better not come from increasing MY taxes...
i didnt have children because I felt I wouldn't be able to afford them iespecially if I were to be single. I sure as heck don't want to pay for others' poor planning.
Well there you have it, enough said.
01-18-2018 03:40 PM
@WenGirl42 I have donated a lot of it to the church nursery and the Girl Scouts and to my grandchildren, but my stash is ever growing.
Last week someone left a six pack of full size Hershey Bars at the curb. I still have them. No one came to claim them yet. I am glad a dog didn’t get into them before I found them. That could have been dangerous.
01-18-2018 05:39 PM
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@jubilant wrote:
********** I thought this was an interesting read. I agree with it.
"In a society where we want kids to have a future (which, in turn ultimately pay for the same seniors often slamming school taxes), where we expect people to have certain services and society to function the way we expect, we will always need to pay for some things we don’t need. I had to pay PMI on my first home even though I’ve never defaulted. I pay Social Security taxes, disability, Medicare and more even though I will probably see a negative return on my payments for the duration of my employment. I’ve always paid auto insurance even though I’ve never been responsible for an accident. There are always going to be those who give and those who take. But if none of these things existed, we’d live in a much different world – fraught with risk and human suffering where there’s no safety net. Sometimes, we need to pay for things that benefit us, our children, society, or even things that don’t seem to benefit us even tangentially – because someday down the road, you might actually need it.
You might think I’ve turned bleeding heart or something. No, I’m just pragmatic. Just like you can’t “opt out” of insurance, Social Security or other systems we’ve had in place for generations, you can’t opt out of the way we fund public education. There’s an aggregate amount required to fund schools each year and parents alone can’t bear the burden. And non-parents benefit in ways they don’t even contemplate. A vibrant local economy, jobs stemming from the school locale, and a new generation of kids that will pay for their care in old age."
@jubilant, no big surprise that ITA, too. :-), even though the part that I bolded is no longer certain now when it comes to health insurance.
Some of the other posters go to great lengths to provide anecdotes that supposedly expose the wrong-sightedness of inclusive taxation and the wastefulness of government (the latter a card that is always pulled by anti-taxers).
What is their solution? Well, it seems that we should just all be responsible for ourselves and our families; we should all be self-reliant; and we should all hew to the credo of personal responsibility.
All that sounds like a very worthy vision on an individual level, but unfortunately, it is specious in reality, in the real world that we live in, and ultimately a cruel approach to what we have before us.
@jubilant, do you by any chance have the source for you quote? TIA.
http://www.darwinsfinance.com/americans-kids-opt-out-school/
01-18-2018 07:16 PM - edited 01-18-2018 07:17 PM
@ncascade wrote:What about sick employees going to work?
I have had 2 supervisors who made me sick w/pneumonia. I wasnt the only employee who became ill.
They felt too' important 'to stay home.
Both since have passed away. (not a judgement, just stating a fact).
01-18-2018 07:18 PM
Thank you, @jubilant.
Glad to "hear" from you. I had responded to a post of yours a few days ago, I think, and whereas you would usually acknowledge my replies, I didn't see one. I worried that maybe you were ticked off by something. Hope not. We may have different perspectives, but I always enjoy reading yours.
01-18-2018 07:50 PM - edited 01-18-2018 08:20 PM
@suzyQ3 wrote:Thank you, @jubilant.
Glad to "hear" from you. I had responded to a post of yours a few days ago, I think, and whereas you would usually acknowledge my replies, I didn't see one. I worried that maybe you were ticked off by something. Hope not. We may have different perspectives, but I always enjoy reading yours.
********** Oh, no....I am not ticked off at all! In fact I like posting with you and reading your posts. We may not always agree but I find you to be a respectful and thoughtful poster and I enjoy reading your posts. I like you, suzyQ3! So sorry I didn't acknowledge your reply. Which post was that?
*********** Suzy..... I think I may have found the post you were talking about. Hope I replied to the right one ...the one about Diet and your DH!
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