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@SahmIam wrote:

I read @Susan Louise's post and I did NOT see it the way some of you are. 

 

* I read it that SHE and her HUSBAND who has Type 2 were able to get off their meds by changing their lifestyle.

 

* I did NOT read where she was insulting people with genetic issues or Type 1 or claiming that people could be held if they just changed how they lived, darn it.

 

What I DID read was that many people could change their health issues by changing their lifestyles and you know what? She's correct. I know way too many, myself included, who after losing weight saw major health problems go away and often no longer needed to take a bunch of pills that, for many, does cause additional health issues. I also know those who choose not to and are paying the price for it. Example:

 

My uncle, almost 300 pounds overweight was diagnosed with Type 2. He was given a strict diet to follow as well as meeting with someone who showed him and his wife how to test his levels. He met with a health coach to discuss a walking routine. All of this while he was hospitalized. My dad told my mother and I that his brother wouldn't live 30 days and we should just wait for the call. When asked why, my dad replied that Uncle Vern told him he was going to live his life HIS way and enjoy it and if that meant death, so be it. Life not being able to enjoy what he enjoyed wasn't worth it.

 

That call came 29 days later.

 

So, @Susan Louise is correct with what she said; many can change their health by altering their lifestyle.  Perhaps because this is such a hot button topic, what she wrote was read in a way differently from what she was saying. At least, that's how I see it.

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The OP's post is about an insulin dependent diabetic TYPE 1, who has no choice but to be on insulin. A ketogenic diet will not change anything for him except perhaps kidney failure and maybe a heart attack, stroke and his possible demise.

Same with Type 2 diabetics, who often through no fault of their own don't produce enough insulin no matter what diet they follow. Judgement has no place in the conversation when it comes to a diagnosis of diabetes.

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@SahmIam wrote:

I read @Susan Louise's post and I did NOT see it the way some of you are. 

 

* I read it that SHE and her HUSBAND who has Type 2 were able to get off their meds by changing their lifestyle.

 

* I did NOT read where she was insulting people with genetic issues or Type 1 or claiming that people could be held if they just changed how they lived, darn it.

 

What I DID read was that many people could change their health issues by changing their lifestyles and you know what? She's correct. I know way too many, myself included, who after losing weight saw major health problems go away and often no longer needed to take a bunch of pills that, for many, does cause additional health issues. I also know those who choose not to and are paying the price for it. Example:

 

My uncle, almost 300 pounds overweight was diagnosed with Type 2. He was given a strict diet to follow as well as meeting with someone who showed him and his wife how to test his levels. He met with a health coach to discuss a walking routine. All of this while he was hospitalized. My dad told my mother and I that his brother wouldn't live 30 days and we should just wait for the call. When asked why, my dad replied that Uncle Vern told him he was going to live his life HIS way and enjoy it and if that meant death, so be it. Life not being able to enjoy what he enjoyed wasn't worth it.

 

That call came 29 days later.

 

So, @Susan Louise is correct with what she said; many can change their health by altering their lifestyle.  Perhaps because this is such a hot button topic, what she wrote was read in a way differently from what she was saying. At least, that's how I see it.

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@SahmIam  Bless your heart and thank you so much for your support and accuracy about all I said/meant.

The only thing I need to clarify is that my DH was diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic last September and I was headed down the same road...I was a pre-diabetic. Within a few weeks of the keto/low carb lifestyle change I was able to stop all acid blockers/PPI's and after a few months DH was able to get off of both of his diabetic meds and Crestor.

Even though I was (as some would say 'only') a pre-diabetic, I still had a lot to worry about since my biological mother was a type 2 diabetic...had both of her legs cut off 3 weeks before she died at the age of 49. I found all of this out when I was 35 when I found the info about her...I'm adopted.

I never worried about becoming a diabetic even after I found out late in life about my biological mother...having the belief of 'it can never happen to me'. Funny, but not funny, I felt the same way about getting cancer all my life...until I got lung cancer in 2004.

My attitude is quite different now...eyes wide open. So then some might ask, why has it taken so long for me to change my lifestyle knowing about my biological mother? Well, like most, I thought keto/low carb was a fad/trend and I went by that food pyramid that the gov/pharma/health institutes have been pushing all my life. Believe me, I hate knowing now that food pyramid is upside down and hogwash.

Once one becomes pre-diabetic, it is a VERY slippery slope nobody wants to be on. If one waits too long to change their lifestyle, they can easily wake up one morning and be a type 2 diabetic and be much further into diabeties with major complications developing sooner than other folks. Some folks can be a pre-diabetic for 10+ years without knowing and then becoming a diabetic type 2, others for just a few short months and it happens to them. In both examples, it isn't until a major health incident related to the disease forces them to see a Dr they find out they have it. The further down the diabetic road one is, the harder it is to reverse and or stall the damage. Still, in most cases, changing one's lifestyle will improve one's own outcome either off meds, less meds, avoidence of some major health issues, etc.

Another thought is knowing how many folks don't even know their own blood sugar numbers and/or who have not been diagnosed as a diabetic yet, but are headed down the same path. FWIW, one doesn't have to be overweight to have high blood sugar levels. Sad part is that most of these folks will find out too late because they are not overweight, they believe this issue won't/couldn't happen to them.

Sad to say, diabeties does not discriminate based on weight and how much one exercises...it's on one's eating lifestyle and their genetic make-up. It is possible to eat keto/low carb and still be a vegetarian too...for those wondering.

There are some folks that have 'good' genes and won't become insullin resistant in their lifetime. However, unless one knows for sure that you are in that lucky percentage, I highly recommend to anyone getting their blood sugar numbers the next time they see their Dr. Years ago it was common to get a physical yearly. Now folks usually don't go unless they are sick...that could mean 5-10+ plus years between visits for some...or every 1-3 years if they need antibiotics from getting sick in the winter, in most of those cases blood is never drawn for anything either. I'm just trying to draw a picture of how many folks really don't know where they stand on the blood sugar/diabetic scale.

As for DH and I, we'd rather change our lifestyle now before we lose digits, limbs or have other complications from diabeties, go broke from paying astronomical drug fees or worse. This lifestyle, as I have mentioned numorous times also helps with other health issues. It got rid of my GERD/acid reflux/heartburn. It was all the carbs/sugars causing all the pain/issues.

Who isn't healthier being able to get off ANY meds?

What others do for their own health is up to them. I'm just passing on what has helped me and my DH. Funny how I got so raked over the coals in this thread just sharing helpful info...that boggles my mind. This is especially true since I had made a statement in that post clarifying that I know/realize some diabetics can't get off their meds.

@SahmIam  ETA - Thank you also for sharing about your own experiences and I'm so sad to hear about your uncle...*HUGS*  

@Susan Louise 

You kniow we love ya!  No worries

@Trinity11 Yes, the opening thread is about Type 1 Diabetes. @Susan Louise 's post is about Type 2 and her experience about it. Many in this thread, including myself, posted about things OTHER than Type 1 diabetes. So, why shouldn't she?

I see NO judgement being placed in her post towards anyone; only the telling of a PERSONAL experience regarding Type 2. Type 2 killed my uncle because he CHOSE not to change his lifestyle. I was on my way to it: I had to test multiple times a day. I avoided it by losing a LARGE amount of weight; I CHOSE to do that. Didn't have to, but I didn't want to die. Does that mean I'm throwing shade at those who DO NOT do what I do? 

Only if YOU choose to see it that way.

IMHO, this thread isn't about diabetes; it's about the expense of healthcare causing those with chronic diseases to ration or stop taking meds because they can't afford them. With a son whose Rx runs $10,000 a MONTH and has run $15,000 a WEEK, I'm all too aware of what this means. No diet or change of lifestyle is going to make his disease less horrible/go away so if I saw anything in @Susan Louise 's post that hinted at that possibility or possible shade at my child, I would have said something, trust me. Since there isn't, it's all good.

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Shoekitty said

 

i am almost speechless.  Darn all those people with genetic illness.  They better eat right and fly right.  Let them die, that would solve everything.  Of course people who spend all their money on a genetic illness have plenty of money to eat right,. 

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@shoekitty, that poster seems to have focused on the OP's one example rather than thinking about all the other illnesses and ailments that pose the same insurance/affordability issues.  Hence my response above.   

Sigh.  The point of this thread IS NOT about diabetes. That happened to be the example the OP gave and that's what was focused on by some.  Change that example to someone diagnosed with cancer, someone with MS, someone with Parkinson's Disease, someone with a congenital heart defect.

Who cares what the illness or ailment is. The fact remains there is an insurance afforability issue and THAT was the point here.  Not the illness.

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@SahmIam wrote:

I read @Susan Louise's post and I did NOT see it the way some of you are. 

 

* I read it that SHE and her HUSBAND who has Type 2 were able to get off their meds by changing their lifestyle.

 

* I did NOT read where she was insulting people with genetic issues or Type 1 or claiming that people could be held if they just changed how they lived, darn it.

 

What I DID read was that many people could change their health issues by changing their lifestyles and you know what? She's correct. I know way too many, myself included, who after losing weight saw major health problems go away and often no longer needed to take a bunch of pills that, for many, does cause additional health issues. I also know those who choose not to and are paying the price for it. Example:

 

My uncle, almost 300 pounds overweight was diagnosed with Type 2. He was given a strict diet to follow as well as meeting with someone who showed him and his wife how to test his levels. He met with a health coach to discuss a walking routine. All of this while he was hospitalized. My dad told my mother and I that his brother wouldn't live 30 days and we should just wait for the call. When asked why, my dad replied that Uncle Vern told him he was going to live his life HIS way and enjoy it and if that meant death, so be it. Life not being able to enjoy what he enjoyed wasn't worth it.

 

That call came 29 days later.

 

So, @Susan Louise is correct with what she said; many can change their health by altering their lifestyle.  Perhaps because this is such a hot button topic, what she wrote was read in a way differently from what she was saying. At least, that's how I see it.

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@SahmIam, I appreciate your take on the post. And in general, I do agree that people can, in some cases, change their health trajectory.

But many can't, for a variety of reasons. Even with Type 2 diabetes, there can be some genetic component at work that can frustrate.

But even if it were solely a matter of will, we all have different tolerances for change, some so ingrained that it makes it almost impossible. Otherwise, for example, losing weight would be a breeze. :-)

So I'm a little leery of comments that while helpful to many can be taken by some as a kind of finger-pointing or blame: e.g.,"It is sad some folks can't get off their diabetic meds...Still others can but choose not to change their lifestyle. We personally know several folks in that regard. They would rather stay on insulin and eat whatever they want no matter what because it's easier...SMH."

I do think, though, that the poster's heart was in the right place.

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

I read @Susan Louise's post and I did NOT see it the way some of you are. 

 

* I read it that SHE and her HUSBAND who has Type 2 were able to get off their meds by changing their lifestyle.

 

* I did NOT read where she was insulting people with genetic issues or Type 1 or claiming that people could be held if they just changed how they lived, darn it.

 

What I DID read was that many people could change their health issues by changing their lifestyles and you know what? She's correct. I know way too many, myself included, who after losing weight saw major health problems go away and often no longer needed to take a bunch of pills that, for many, does cause additional health issues. I also know those who choose not to and are paying the price for it. Example:

 

My uncle, almost 300 pounds overweight was diagnosed with Type 2. He was given a strict diet to follow as well as meeting with someone who showed him and his wife how to test his levels. He met with a health coach to discuss a walking routine. All of this while he was hospitalized. My dad told my mother and I that his brother wouldn't live 30 days and we should just wait for the call. When asked why, my dad replied that Uncle Vern told him he was going to live his life HIS way and enjoy it and if that meant death, so be it. Life not being able to enjoy what he enjoyed wasn't worth it.

 

That call came 29 days later.

 

So, @Susan Louise is correct with what she said; many can change their health by altering their lifestyle.  Perhaps because this is such a hot button topic, what she wrote was read in a way differently from what she was saying. At least, that's how I see it.

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@SahmIam, I appreciate your take on the post. And in general, I do agree that people can, in some cases, change their health trajectory.

 

But many can't, for a variety of reasons. Even with Type 2 diabetes, there can be some genetic component at work that can frustrate.

 

But even if it were solely a matter of will, we all have different tolerances for change, some so ingrained that it makes it almost impossible. Otherwise, for example, losing weight would be a breeze. :-)

 

So I'm a little leery of comments that while helpful to many can be taken by some as a kind of finger-pointing or blame: e.g.,"It is sad some folks can't get off their diabetic meds...Still others can but choose not to change their lifestyle. We personally know several folks in that regard. They would rather stay on insulin and eat whatever they want no matter what because it's easier...SMH."

 

I do think, though, that the poster's heart was in the right place.

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This just sounds like it comes straight from another poster's playbook, only with a different idea of what that ideal lifestyle (i.e. diet) is.

I can understand how annoying this attitude is to those who have more complicated health issues than diet  (or "lifestyle")  alone will solve.

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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This just sounds like it comes straight from another poster's playbook, only with a different idea of what that ideal lifestyle (i.e. diet) is.

 

I can understand how annoying this attitude is to those who have more complicated health issues than diet  (or "lifestyle")  alone will solve.

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My first thought exactly😏 @QueenDanceALot