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So, the Camel-Based Pasturma Is Pastrami by a Different Name

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The parents of my first husband had roots in the Aegean island of Chios, which sits very close to Turkey.  When my ex-husband's maternal grandmother died, my former in-laws took in an elderly man who was from Chios and a childhood friend of my ex's maternal grandparents. He had lived decades with the grandparents.  In an attempt to be discreet, I will call this elderly factotum "Socrates."

 

I recall that Socrates loved to eat what the Greeks call "pasturma," a meat that, at that time (1960s), was made from camel.  It was not easy to come by, and my mother-in-law would buy the delicacy for Socrates at the local Greek store in her metropolitan area.  In other cultures the meat is called "basturma" or "basterma." 

 

Eventually, pasturma became pastrami. Side note: Remember that Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire for 500 years.  That is why most Greeks do not take kindly to the enslavement of anyone.

 

Looking at a menu today, I became curious when I saw "Basterma Sandwich."  I googled "basterma" and came up with the following history (the piece is from 2015/2016):

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America is experiencing a pastrami renaissance, with soulfully cured, assertively spiced smoked meat turning up at top barbecue joints across the country. Darkly crusted with crushed coriander seed and fiery with black pepper. Meat so moist it squirts when you cut into it and so flavorful, you don't really need mustard, pickles, or rye bread.

 

And if you think the pastrami sun rises and sets on beef belly, well, check out the "porkstrami" at Tails & Trotter, a pork-centric butcher and deli in Portland, Oregon, or the lamb pastrami at Wente Vineyards in California. And while you're at it, dig your fork into New York chef David Burke's salmon pastrami or the electrifying kung pao pastrami stir-fry at Mission Chinese in San Francisco.

 

The truth is, pastrami is less a single dish than a process. I wouldn't be surprised if someone, somewhere, is about to apply it to tofu.

 

But I get ahead of myself, because I really wanted to begin this story not in New York or even the United States, but at the Spice Bazaar in Istanbul. It was here, on my Barbecue! Bible research tour, that I came across arm-long strips of meat caked with orange aromatic spices hanging unrefrigerated from shop rafters. I had eaten versions of this cured meat--usually beef, once camel--throughout the Middle and Near East, where it goes by the name of basturma (sometimes written pasturma). It was cured and dried, not smoked, and the spicing differed dramatically from the pepper-coriander rub on American pastrami. But the two--etymologically and gastronomically--shared a common ancestor.

 

Wikipedia hypothesizes that basturma originated with an Anatolian air-dried beef made since Byzantine times. Today, that beef would be salted, air-dried, pressed, then salved with a pungent paste of garlic, cumin, fenugreek, and hot paprika. This makes it food-safe for extended periods at room temperature and salty and spicy enough to enjoy sliced as an aperitif with raki (Turkish anise liqueur), scrambled with eggs, and even crisped over a charcoal grill.

 

Beef is the preferred meat today, but you also find basturma made with lamb, goat, water buffalo, and the aforementioned camel.

 

So how did Ottoman basturma become Jewish pastrami and how did it migrate from Istanbul to New York's Lower East Side? And why has a new generation of American pit masters embraced this classic deli meat with such gusto?

 

The most likely transfer agents were Jewish immigrants from Romania who brought pastrami to New York in the 1870s. In the Old Country they made it with the budget meat of the period--goose. Even cheaper in the New World was beef navel (a fatty cut from the steer's underbelly), which became the meat of choice for pastrami.

 

Somewhere along the line, the name acquired an "i" at the end--perhaps to rhyme with another popular immigrant food of the period--salami.

 

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As a Pastrami lover since the fifties when my mother used to bring home Pastrami sandwiches from our Jewish deli, the sandwiches at that time cost a dollar!!!!!  There were many other delicious food items we enjoyed also from the deli.  To this day I love Pastrami on rye with mustard and a kosher pickle!  I am grateful to the Jewish immigrants from Romania, mentioned in the article, who brought Pastrami to NY!!!!!!!

 

The article is very informative and interesting, what a history this food has.  I enjoyed reading about the origins of Pastrami one of my favorite treats!!!!

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I'm so glad, spiderw, that you enjoyed learning this history of pastrami as much as I did!   It fascinated me.

 

Now I understand why my dear second husband loved pastrami so much.  He was from the island of Crete, and pastrami must have reminded him of those pasturma sandwiches he ate in Greece.

 

I'll never forget the way Socrates relished that camel meat.

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Interesting, thank you for the food lesson.  But no thank you to the foods mentioned.

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@golding76   @spiderw 

 

Thank you for your history & knowledge abt ex pastrami. etc

 

I loved it for years, until I developed a severe allergy to black pepper. Bummer!

 

Seems "pastrami" can be made with just about any animal meat esp thru the years, & with varied geography.

 

As an aside, isn't Water Buffalo on the "Vanishing Species," "near Extinct Species" list.  I hope, if so, they stop with the food making & scripting on the Water Buffalo bones, & find an alternative to an "near extinct" animal.

 

Thanks again!  Woman Happy

Unique & very interesting topic you shared!!

 

 

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Camel meat is not Kosher...

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Desertdi, I believe that the fanciers of the camel pasturma were mostly non-Jewish Greeks, Turks and Middle Easterners.  Any Jews who lived in Greece, Turkey or the Middle East undoubtedly used kosher meats (whatever was available and worked).

 

The establishment (whose menu I was reviewing and that sparked my curiosity) practices halal food guidelines.  They printed that multiple times throughout the menu.

 

People do what they have to do.

 

ETA:  Do people still eat much camel meat?

 

Camel is eaten as a staple, everyday meat in many countries in the Middle East and North Africa, while it is considered a gourmet meat in other countries and used only for special occasions, such as ceremonies and wedding feasts.

 

Egypt, naturally, uses/used a lot of camel meat, and very likely camel made its way to Greece and the Greek isles not only via the Ottoman Empire but through Alexandria, Egypt, which was a famous Greek settlement at one time.  When my dear father set sail for America in 1916, the boat went to Alexandria, Egypt, after picking him and others up in Piraeus, Greece.  I wonder if, after the stop in Alexandria, they next went to Italy -- where?  There are so many things about his life I never thought to ask.

 

How much I wish I had asked more questions.  Question-asking was my stock-in-trade, and yet I failed to ask my parents and grandparents, etc., so much.  I often joked that I came out of the womb asking questions.  My mother was not the type to enjoy responding to questions.  I chuckle now when I think how I must have driven that dear woman nuts.

 

Ask those questions NOW -- while they are alive.  Take it from me.  

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I love pastrami and would eat it made with any type of meat.  I try not to eat it too often.

 

The last time I bought it at the deli, the lady who waited on me kept telling me how much it cost and asked me if I was sure I still wanted it.

 

She almost made me feel guilty for wanting it....almost.  I did buy it and enjoyed every morsel.

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@golding76   What a great story.  I love hearing about different foods people eat and where they came from. I myself love pastrami and corned beef and often visit the one authentic Jewish deli we have in this area to enjoy both.  I could stick my face in their food...so good.  Grocery store Deli pastrami or corned beef is not the same as what you get at the Jewish deli. 

 

On a traditional note for food, my grandparents came from Poland, Russia, Lithuania and when I was a child, I remember going to the neighborhood city deli with her to get a quart of fresh duck's blood.  She would hurry home to make the soup before the blood congealed.  The soup was called Czarnina and it was so good.  She would make homemade kluski noodles with it.  I still remember her stringing a line in her 9 foot wide row house from one wall to the other and hanging the noodles to dry.  Wonderful memories 💓

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I rarely eat meat at all anymore but right now I am seriously craving pastrami on rye with mustard and with a pickle on the side! Oh yeah, I may need some potato chips, and a diet Coke too.