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Re: So, Who Assassinated JFK?

@gardenman  just a follow up. There has been terrible division way before Scalise was shot. Gabby Giffords had her career ended by a crazy person who targeted her and her staff at a meet and greet. A child was killed in that attack. Steve Scalise is still working. Nobody was killed in that attack. How quickly we forget when partisanship rules our thought process. 

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@bathina wrote:

@gardenman  just a follow up. There has been terrible division way before Scalise was shot. Gabby Giffords had her career ended by a crazy person who targeted her and her staff at a meet and greet. A child was killed in that attack. Steve Scalise is still working. Nobody was killed in that attack. How quickly we forget when partisanship rules our thought process. 


@bathina   It doesn't matter.  Your points are an example of  partisanship thinking.

 

Gabby was shot by an anti-government schizophrenic.

 

Scalise was shot by a man who specifically asked if the persons on the baseball field were R's.

 

Both were targets based on ppov.

 

And neither merits more sympathy than the other.

 

 

 

 

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@bathina wrote:

@gardenman  just a follow up. There has been terrible division way before Scalise was shot. Gabby Giffords had her career ended by a crazy person who targeted her and her staff at a meet and greet. A child was killed in that attack. Steve Scalise is still working. Nobody was killed in that attack. How quickly we forget when partisanship rules our thought process. 


 

Good point @bathina .

I seldom see Gabby mentioned when these type of attacks are mentioned. Her attempted murder affected me deeply since we are from the same state.

 

She remains one of my personal heros.

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@Cakers3 wrote:

@bathina wrote:

@gardenman  just a follow up. There has been terrible division way before Scalise was shot. Gabby Giffords had her career ended by a crazy person who targeted her and her staff at a meet and greet. A child was killed in that attack. Steve Scalise is still working. Nobody was killed in that attack. How quickly we forget when partisanship rules our thought process. 


@bathina   It doesn't matter.  Your points are an example of  partisanship thinking.

 

Gabby was shot by an anti-government schizophrenic.

 

Scalise was shot by a man who specifically asked if the persons on the baseball field were R's.

 

Both were targets based on ppov.

 

And neither merits more sympathy than the other.

 

 

 

 


Nope. Just pointing out that division existed before Scalise. For some reason, his name always comes up and Gabby is forgotten and I know why. No one was killed in the Scalise attack. He's still holding his job. The Giffords attack was so much worse, yet Scalse is held up as an example of what "division" can do.

 

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I don't know other than Oswald. If he acted alone or with others we just don't know. None of this is funny. If you were alive on 11-22-63 I am sure that there is nothing funny or joke worthy about who killed President Kennedy. My father always held Texas responsible. 


As a Texan I disagree. Someone wanted him dead and I think it was those in our gov't.


@croemer  Oh now c'mon.  You know as well as I that Texas holds the sole blame for everything wrong in this world.  (tongue-in-cheek)

 

psst:  Whatburger was bought out by some company in Chicago.  There goes the burgers.


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Wait, I thought that was California.  

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@gardenman I always appreciate your posts. Factual, yet questioning and informative.

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

@Cakers3 wrote:

@croemer wrote:

@50Mickey wrote:

I don't know other than Oswald. If he acted alone or with others we just don't know. None of this is funny. If you were alive on 11-22-63 I am sure that there is nothing funny or joke worthy about who killed President Kennedy. My father always held Texas responsible. 


As a Texan I disagree. Someone wanted him dead and I think it was those in our gov't.


@croemer  Oh now c'mon.  You know as well as I that Texas holds the sole blame for everything wrong in this world.  (tongue-in-cheek)

 

psst:  Whatburger was bought out by some company in Chicago.  There goes the burgers.


@Cakers3 

 

Wait, I thought that was California.  


@QueenDanceALotIt was bought out by an investment firm based in Chicago-named BDT Capital Partners.  Whataburger sold the majority of its stake to them.

 

I've mentioned this before so I'm not sure where California fits in.

 

Now if that has changed, please update.

 

eta:  Oops-I thought you meant Whataburger was bought out by a company in CA.

 

I didn't catch your highlight.    LOL

 

Sorry.

 

Both states have had their share of bashing, imo.

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Some people aren't well and shoot other people for reasons only they will ever know. They act alone, they have their own warped reasons. It happens more often now than ever, yet we're still so concerned with this one case as if Oswald is somehow different and couldn't possibly have just bee one more crazy guy with a gun.


I think what may be the difference is that Kennedy was not well loved in Dallas at the time.  It is weird that the entire route was not secured by the secret service and the fbi.  Dallas was almost a small town so to speak at the time.  And later to have Jack Ruby knock off Oswald was unbelievable.  And Jack R. had known mob associations.  Never have i heard an explanation of why he did what he did.  Makes no sense unless the mob wanted to keep Oswald quiet.  Maybe it's because i am a Texan, but i never thought Johnson was involved.  But i doubt that Oswald was the lone gunman.  We will never know.


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@Shawnie, it is really not weird that the entire route was not secured by the secret service or the FBi.   Having a father that was a commander in the US Air Force responsible for security for 2 different presidential visits back in day I am pretty familiar with all the preparation and expectations of security that goes along with a presidential visit.  In fact, one was for JFK at Eglin Air Force base and the other was Johnson at Patrick AFB.

 

At any rate, even back then it was impossible to secure an entire motorcade route.  Not enough manpower to do something like that.  In fact, they don't even attempt to do that today.  They will close traffic on streets a prescribed amount of time before and after the presidential limo is scheduled to travel the road.  But there are still people working in those buildings, people eating in those establishments, etc.  There is no way they can totally secure that particular route.  Not now and not back then.

 

In fact, the Secret Service wanted tighter security for the Dallas motorcade.  This has been well established and documented by the Secret Service by those in service at the time.  It was Kennedy, himself, that presented major challenges because he did essentially "order" the Secret Service to stand back.  Kennedy loved crowds and meeting people so it presented real challenges for the Secret Service, especially when he was in campaign mode as President.  

 

On the day he was assassinated, the Secret Service wanted the canopy over the limo, but Kennedy refused.  He insisted the top of the car be open because he wanted people to be able to see him.

 

Needless to say, this changed the way the Secret Service operated and changed their policy that a President could insist on not having a certain type of security or "opt out" of a certain security process put in place for presidential travel.

 

So, one of the ironies about that day is that the very decision that Kennedy made about insisting that he have an open car motorcade, despite what the Secret Service wanted....ended up costing him his life. 

 

 


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Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK.


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@pitdakota wrote:

 

Some people aren't well and shoot other people for reasons only they will ever know. They act alone, they have their own warped reasons. It happens more often now than ever, yet we're still so concerned with this one case as if Oswald is somehow different and couldn't possibly have just bee one more crazy guy with a gun.


I think what may be the difference is that Kennedy was not well loved in Dallas at the time.  It is weird that the entire route was not secured by the secret service and the fbi.  Dallas was almost a small town so to speak at the time.  And later to have Jack Ruby knock off Oswald was unbelievable.  And Jack R. had known mob associations.  Never have i heard an explanation of why he did what he did.  Makes no sense unless the mob wanted to keep Oswald quiet.  Maybe it's because i am a Texan, but i never thought Johnson was involved.  But i doubt that Oswald was the lone gunman.  We will never know.


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@Shawnie, it is really not weird that the entire route was not secured by the secret service or the FBi.   Having a father that was a commander in the US Air Force responsible for security for 2 different presidential visits back in day I am pretty familiar with all the preparation and expectations of security that goes along with a presenidential visist.  In fact, one was for JFK at Eglin Air Force base and the other was Johnson at Patrick AFB.

 

At any rate, even back then it was impossible to secure an entire motorcade route.  Not enough manpower to do something like that.  In fact, they don't even attempt to do that today.  They will close traffic on streets a prescribed amout of time before and after the presidential limo is scheduled to travel the road.  But there are still people working in those buildings, people eating in those establishements, etc.  There is no way they can totally secure that particular route.  Not now and not back then.

 

In fact, the Secret Service wanted tighter security for the Dallas motorcade.  This has been well established and documented by the Secret Service by those in service at the time.  It was Kennedy, himself, that presented major challenges because he did essentially "order" the Secret Service to stand back.  Kennedy loved crowds and meeting people so it presented real challenges for the Secret Service, especially when he was in campaign mode as President.  

 

On the day he was assassinated, the Secret Service wanted the canopy over the limo, but Kennedy refused.  He insisted the top of the car be open because he wanted people to be able to see him.

 

Needless to say, this changed the way the Secret Service operated and changed their policy that a President could insist on not having a certain type of security or "opt out" of a certain security process put in place for presidential travel.

 

So, one of the ironies about that day is that the very decision that Kennedy made about insisting that he have an open car motorcade, despite what the Secret Service wanted....ended up costing him his life. 

 

 


Yes i agree. So this was Kennedys practice?  Otherwise why would Oswald be up there?  Someone knew he would be vulnerable.