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[Pqfan]

I was shocked when I saw a commercial for a toy called Chronobomb yesterday.

You have to make it through a laser force field and get to shut off the bomb before it "blows" up!

I thought it was a joke but they have it at Toys R US for 20.00!

[Maudelynn]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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These are the questions I've never, ever seen answered by those who insist their "rights" would be affected by sane gun control.  I am convinced the simple answer of "not one, single right" doesn't fit the NRA propaganda.

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Right to privacy to begin with. Why does the government need to know if someone owns a gun or not? If someone has committed no crimes, why should the government care about firearms possessed? Because they want to know where to go to get them as they begin to take away things.

Similar things happened during the WW's. Food was confiscated here in this country if the government thought a person had too much (hoarding during wartime). Gold was confiscated, and replaced with paper money from citizens. This government has been known to take what it thinks it 'needs' from the citizens, once they know what they  have. 

Not the priniples upon which we were founded. So to answer what does the legit gun owner have to loose. Rights.

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This is my last post to you on this topic.  Your first pargraph makes absolutely no sense.  We already have laws that require legit gun owners to register.  So if we make it impossible for illigitimate gun owners to get a gun, what rights have the legitimate gun owners lost?  The answer is none.

[chrystaltree]

I live in MA where we would never see something as irresponsible and disgusting like that on tv.  

[mstyrion 1]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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These are the questions I've never, ever seen answered by those who insist their "rights" would be affected by sane gun control.  I am convinced the simple answer of "not one, single right" doesn't fit the NRA propaganda.

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Right to privacy to begin with. Why does the government need to know if someone owns a gun or not? If someone has committed no crimes, why should the government care about firearms possessed? Because they want to know where to go to get them as they begin to take away things.

Similar things happened during the WW's. Food was confiscated here in this country if the government thought a person had too much (hoarding during wartime). Gold was confiscated, and replaced with paper money from citizens. This government has been known to take what it thinks it 'needs' from the citizens, once they know what they  have. 

Not the priniples upon which we were founded. So to answer what does the legit gun owner have to loose. Rights.

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I can't even begin to understand your reasoning.

Background checks are done in order to get a job, get credit. It's not a new concept.  If a person applying for gun ownership has nothing to hide then what is the fear? If they've committed no crime, they will get their gun.  

It all comes down to your consuming mistrust of the government, I suspect.  That's simply not a compelling answer as to why loopholes can't be closed and background checks done.

[Suziepeach]

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@Pqfan wrote:

I was shocked when I saw a commercial for a toy called Chronobomb yesterday.

You have to make it through a laser force field and get to shut off the bomb before it "blows" up!

I thought it was a joke but they have it at Toys R US for 20.00!

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@Pqfan, that's just awful!  How about all the advertisements for those xbox games, talk about violent too?  I just don't understand how parents can allow their kids to play all those games & such..  of which to those that do, this is my opinion.

[Mominohio]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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Sorry, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. And we have a lot of gun laws already that aren't properly enforced. How about we do right by them first, and stop making more and more that won't be effective either, if not implemented like many current ones aren't.

So these same background checks and private sales to individuals (like at gunshows) you are now willing to call for with cars right? I mean, what alcoholic should be allowed to purchase and have a car they might drive while under the influence and kill innocent people with? 

I mean if we have to crack down and make even more limits on getting a gun because it might be used to kill someone, then it logically follows the same thing has to be done with cars. 

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You haven't answered my question.  Guns and cars are two different things, manufactured and intended for two different purposes.  Your question is not logical.  Mine is- exactly what rights will responsible gun owners lose if we tighten up on the laws that allow criminals, terrorists, abusers and the mentally ill to legally obtain a gun?

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I told you, enforce the existing ones first that already exist to cover those things you listed, and see my last post before this about what legit and responsible gun owners have to loose.

[Mominohio]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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_________________________________________________________________

These are the questions I've never, ever seen answered by those who insist their "rights" would be affected by sane gun control.  I am convinced the simple answer of "not one, single right" doesn't fit the NRA propaganda.

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Right to privacy to begin with. Why does the government need to know if someone owns a gun or not? If someone has committed no crimes, why should the government care about firearms possessed? Because they want to know where to go to get them as they begin to take away things.

Similar things happened during the WW's. Food was confiscated here in this country if the government thought a person had too much (hoarding during wartime). Gold was confiscated, and replaced with paper money from citizens. This government has been known to take what it thinks it 'needs' from the citizens, once they know what they  have. 

Not the priniples upon which we were founded. So to answer what does the legit gun owner have to loose. Rights.

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This is my last post to you on this topic.  Your first pargraph makes absolutely no sense.  We already have laws that require legit gun owners to register.  So if we make it impossible for illigitimate gun owners to get a gun, what rights have the legitimate gun owners lost?  The answer is none.

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That's fine, back out when you know you aren't right, save face and move on.

[maestra]

I choose to protect myself under the laws permitted by my country. I consider this being proactive.

If you think this is immoral, then there must be room on your soapbox for much more. I consider abortion immoral, capital punishment immoral, wanton destruction of our Earth immoral, warehousing of our elderly...I've got a pretty big soapbox also. Choosing to protect myself against a home invasion (which occurred when I was pregnant) doesnt come even close.

[DoneTryin]

I've never seen a tv commercial for guns.  What channels are they on?

[Maudelynn]

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@maestra wrote:

I choose to protect myself under the laws permitted by my country. I consider this being proactive.

If you think this is immoral, then there must be room on your soapbox for much more. I consider abortion immoral, capital punishment immoral, wanton destruction of our Earth immoral, warehousing of our elderly...I've got a pretty big soapbox also. Choosing to protect myself against a home invasion (which occurred when I was pregnant) doesnt come even close.

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My comment about "immoral" had nothing to do with responsible, legal gun owners.  Nothing.