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[Mominohio]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

[Maudelynn]

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@Vivian Florimond wrote:

I live in NY state so I assume those ads won't appear in strict gun control states. My feeling is the more guns that are out there, the more potential there is for killing. More toddlers died last year from guns than police in the line of duty.That is a hideous statistic, but I digress. That new Geico ad where a kid who never grew up shows up at a high school reunion and sings and insults. It is so obnoxious that if I did have a gun I'd......

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I LOVE that commercial!  "You don't look a day over 70.  Am I right?"

[Maudelynn]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

[Mominohio]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@ladyroxanne wrote:

it may be your right to carry, but i don't want to see commercials about it.  let it stay in magazines where i think it's always been.

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But we have to see the commercials about a blue pill for men, jellies and lotions and people's satisfied reactions after use, and condoms, and even bedroom toys at certain times of the night. 

But heaven forbid we see a commercial about a firearm. 

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Think about how much more distatesful it would be if the blue pill, jellies, lotions, condoms, toys and climaxes killed 90 people a day.

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Not like it hasn't been said here before, but guns don't kill. People do.

And in the last year, how many people confined in buildings shot down might have been saved had there been just one or two competent gun owners carrying?

And how many of these shooters might not even attempt what they've done, if they knew everywhere they went, someone was equipped and ready to stop their attention getting scheme?

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Don't care who or what is doing the killing.  90 people are dead every day in gun related incidents.  There's no reason every Tom  ****** and Harry should be allowed to own a gun. It's your right to own one within your ability to follow the laws established around them.  The laws that allow 2,000 terrorists to legally purchase guns in this country need to change. The laws that allow the mentally ill, the domestic abuser, the formerly institutionalized, the criminal and the terrorist to legally obtain guns need to change.  Don't you agree?

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Then just when are you starting the petitions to get all vehicles off the roads? And when does your 'anti rope' campaign start? After all, in 2001, over 6000 people died from hanging, can't have those blasted ropes available to people who don't know what they are doing with them.

No reason every Tom **** and Harry should be behind the wheel of dangerous vehicles or allowed to buy rope.

[mstyrion 1]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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These are the questions I've never, ever seen answered by those who insist their "rights" would be affected by sane gun control.  I am convinced the simple answer of "not one, single right" doesn't fit the NRA propaganda.

[Mominohio]

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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Sorry, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. And we have a lot of gun laws already that aren't properly enforced. How about we do right by them first, and stop making more and more that won't be effective either, if not implemented like many current ones aren't.

So these same background checks and private sales to individuals (like at gunshows) you are now willing to call for with cars right? I mean, what alcoholic should be allowed to purchase and have a car they might drive while under the influence and kill innocent people with? 

I mean if we have to crack down and make even more limits on getting a gun because it might be used to kill someone, then it logically follows the same thing has to be done with cars. 

[qualitygal]

I don't usually get in on these, but, the "bad guys" always seem to have guns.

Guns don't go off by themselves

Yes, you do have to be responsible about taking care not to leave them where someone not meant to have them, needs to be. You also can't go off half ***** just because you own one. It's called RESPONSIBLE. Yes, not everyone is who owns one. Thus, my first sentence.

Ok, I'll say no more.

[debic]

I'm not really opposed to some gun laws.  The problem is that criminals will never follow them and that's the people who the laws think they are going to control.

All our guns are registered. 

[Mominohio]

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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These are the questions I've never, ever seen answered by those who insist their "rights" would be affected by sane gun control.  I am convinced the simple answer of "not one, single right" doesn't fit the NRA propaganda.

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Right to privacy to begin with. Why does the government need to know if someone owns a gun or not? If someone has committed no crimes, why should the government care about firearms possessed? Because they want to know where to go to get them as they begin to take away things.

Similar things happened during the WW's. Food was confiscated here in this country if the government thought a person had too much (hoarding during wartime). Gold was confiscated, and replaced with paper money from citizens. This government has been known to take what it thinks it 'needs' from the citizens, once they know what they  have. 

Not the priniples upon which we were founded. So to answer what does the legit gun owner have to loose. Rights.

[Maudelynn]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Maudelynn wrote:

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@orangegarnet wrote:

My husband carries and is looking for a new shoulder holster.  He knows where and where not to carry..  Ever defended yourself with your purse or wallet?  He served his country, has had a full ground check for his carry permit and is very responsible.  Our neighbor taught at a war college, he carries as well..

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I don't consider people who lawfully carry, follow the laws required for gun free zones, follow the laws required for securing guns, to be gun crazies.  However, there are many, many, many irresponsible gun owners among us.  Some of them are mentally ill, are violent, are abusers, are TERRORISTS.  THAT'S who I'm concerned about.

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And the same thing can be said about many, many, many, car owners who drive under the influence, and drug users who party with their minor children, and people with a medicine cabinet full of prescribed medicines that they don't properly monitor when kids are in the house, etc. etc. etc. As many or more lives lost under these types of scenarios, but you don't see the agitated posts about them.

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There is no comparison.  Guns are manufactured and sold to kill.  There are about as many guns in this country  that every citizen could have one.  We have lax laws.  These guns are in the hands of crazies.  We are not concerned about the home grown hot head with an arsenal who lives down the street, but we're all tizzied up over some bombed out families looking for refuge.  God forbid, one of them may be a terrorist sneaking in.

The article talks about what it takes to make it here.  The process is too long and complicated. If a terrorist wants to come in, they can just get on a plane and come as a tourist.  It's easier.

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I suggest you find a way to deal with the crazies, and stop taking away the rights of the VAST MAJORITY of responsible gun owners. 

This constant frenzy the anti gun groups whip up everytime people suggest that protection is important in today's society is just nonsense.

And I'm not sure, but if you are calling the process for refugees coming in 'too long and complicated', let's just see what happens if they shorten it.

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Not sure what rights the vast majority of responsible gun owners would lose.  What rights would they lose if we tightened laws that required you not to be a felon, an abuser, a terrorist?  What rights would you lose if we closed the gunshow and internet loophole and required background checks for all purchases?

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Sorry, but you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. And we have a lot of gun laws already that aren't properly enforced. How about we do right by them first, and stop making more and more that won't be effective either, if not implemented like many current ones aren't.

So these same background checks and private sales to individuals (like at gunshows) you are now willing to call for with cars right? I mean, what alcoholic should be allowed to purchase and have a car they might drive while under the influence and kill innocent people with? 

I mean if we have to crack down and make even more limits on getting a gun because it might be used to kill someone, then it logically follows the same thing has to be done with cars. 

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You haven't answered my question.  Guns and cars are two different things, manufactured and intended for two different purposes.  Your question is not logical.  Mine is- exactly what rights will responsible gun owners lose if we tighten up on the laws that allow criminals, terrorists, abusers and the mentally ill to legally obtain a gun?