Say A Prayer For Special Needs Children - Page 4

Janey2 · ‎06-07-2010

@Silver Lining I am a retired nyc school teacher. I have reported many cases of child abuse, and there was no pandemic going on. Out of work parents can get pretty mean.

Porcelain · ‎02-19-2014

@stevieb wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
What is going to happen to the children if their parents get sick and/or lose their jobs or one or both of them die? I don't think the school can help them with that. There are lots of problems going on and spreading Covid more widely into our homes is not a well thought out solution.
So interesting how this virus just affects "some" people adversely.

It's fine for grocery store and Walmart workers, and delivery people, and those serving to work - but for teachers and educated people - oh nooooooo. Their lives are so much more imporatnt.

And if kids really - actually as opposed to hypothetically - suffer direct harm from no school, well that is soooo different from not being able to get your food delivered - you know what I mean. Priorities people.
No. You are projecting your lack of care for frontline workers. You are showing that since you don't care about them, you assume everyone else must feel the same. Not everyone considers their privilege and good fortune to be an entitlement that ought to be denied others.

I like many others want all frontline workers to be protected and to be able to sue their employers for unsafe conditions, which people who speak the way you do generally oppose. Teachers are on the front line just like delivery people and cashiers, and endangering them is not okay with me. And endangering childrean and exposing them to disease is not okay with me either. I don't have to pick and choose who I want to protect. I want us to protect us all, you included.
I was being sarcastic - why am I not surprised that you didn't see that.
So you were joking about such an important issue as child welfare. I will keep that in mind. That you sometimes say things you don't mean purely for entertainment value. I should not respond to you when you respond to me because I can have no idea whether you are sincere when you say something inflammatory or ugly. Be well.
With all due respect, what you might do is take a deep breath, climb down off your soapbox, recognize the world is a vastly imperfect place, and yes, no matter how dastardly the topic, realize there can be some levity associated with it... Just sayin'...

Thanks but I didn't ask for your advice on my sense of humor. And I don't need yet another condescending lecture from you. You can stop doing that please. I could just as easily make the same critiques about you, but I don't. I don't think a snottiness contest would benefit either of us, to be "real." Feel free to take that crown if you like.

Edited to add: Over the course of my life I have learned to only take unsolicited criticism and advice from those I would go out of my way to request it from. (With the exception of when somoene is paying me of course.) Generally I have zero reason to entertain any critiques from anyone who doesn't even like me. That would be silly. Anything they would have to say would only be about them and would have nothing to do with me.

I'd also think you "liberate the schools" guys would be really happy right now that many places are doing exactly what you are demanding. You've won your argument. Just like you wanted all the restaurants and bars to be liberated and opened and for mask wearing to be optional. You've won. Lots for you to celebrate across the board. If going to school really will solve all these problems like you say, I look forward to it. You've made some big claims about a lot of things and we will see what happens.

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
"Power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

This is amazing. Those who regularly tell us we post too much about the virus have no compuntions about landing here to tell us that abused children are overlooked now -- so we need to send them back to school.

And if they become ill or make others ill? Well, they will all probably survive. After all, there is so much hype surrounding this so-called pandemic

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Alish56 · ‎04-04-2020

so many children are being hurt by the shutdown, academically and otherwise.

the kids have to go back to a real classroom.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@Porcelain wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
What is going to happen to the children if their parents get sick and/or lose their jobs or one or both of them die? I don't think the school can help them with that. There are lots of problems going on and spreading Covid more widely into our homes is not a well thought out solution.
So interesting how this virus just affects "some" people adversely.

It's fine for grocery store and Walmart workers, and delivery people, and those serving to work - but for teachers and educated people - oh nooooooo. Their lives are so much more imporatnt.

And if kids really - actually as opposed to hypothetically - suffer direct harm from no school, well that is soooo different from not being able to get your food delivered - you know what I mean. Priorities people.
No. You are projecting your lack of care for frontline workers. You are showing that since you don't care about them, you assume everyone else must feel the same. Not everyone considers their privilege and good fortune to be an entitlement that ought to be denied others.

I like many others want all frontline workers to be protected and to be able to sue their employers for unsafe conditions, which people who speak the way you do generally oppose. Teachers are on the front line just like delivery people and cashiers, and endangering them is not okay with me. And endangering childrean and exposing them to disease is not okay with me either. I don't have to pick and choose who I want to protect. I want us to protect us all, you included.
I was being sarcastic - why am I not surprised that you didn't see that.
So you were joking about such an important issue as child welfare. I will keep that in mind. That you sometimes say things you don't mean purely for entertainment value. I should not respond to you when you respond to me because I can have no idea whether you are sincere when you say something inflammatory or ugly. Be well.
With all due respect, what you might do is take a deep breath, climb down off your soapbox, recognize the world is a vastly imperfect place, and yes, no matter how dastardly the topic, realize there can be some levity associated with it... Just sayin'...

Thanks but I didn't ask for your advice on my sense of humor. And I don't need yet another condescending lecture from you. You can stop doing that please. I could just as easily make the same critiques about you, but I don't. I don't think a snottiness contest would benefit either of us, to be "real." Feel free to take that crown if you like.

I'd also think you "liberate the schools" guys would be really happy right now that many places are doing exactly what you are demanding. You've won your argument. Just like you wanted all the restaurants and bars to be liberated and opened and for mask wearing to be optional. You've won. Lots for you to celebrate across the board. If going to school really will solve all these problems like you say, I look forward to it. You've made some big claims about a lot of things and we will see what happens.

First of all @Porcelain, I'm not necessarily one of 'you liberate the schools guys'... You don't know my perspective on that because I don't think I've expressed it here... Your usual rather sweeping generalizations about who wanted what with regard to bars, restaurants, masks, schools etc, are merely assumptions here... What I expressed was factual information about how abuse concerns are handled in schools... Secondly, my effort was not to engage you in a 'snottiness contest'... nor was I offering a 'condescening lecture'... I was merely trying to get you to lighten up a tad... Whether you need advice on your sense of humor or not, you got some anyway...

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@suzyQ3 wrote:
This is amazing. Those who regularly tell us we post too much about the virus have no compuntions about landing here to tell us that abused children are overlooked now -- so we need to send them back to school.

And if they become ill or make others ill? Well, they will all probably survive. After all, there is so much hype surrounding this so-called pandemic

Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about opening public schools but yes, shocking, isn't it... There actually are other people on these boards and they actually do have other opinions... Oh, and some of you actually do post too much about the virus... And woe is anyone who dares to post an alternative point of view...

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

PA Mom-mom · ‎05-27-2015

Folks, I was just asking for prayers, because this whole situation is not going to end well for our special needs children. They are in big trouble! I happen to think there are other at risk children as well, but they all really need our best wishes and prayers for a better outcome. Let's not fight about it.

ninjawife · ‎11-15-2011

@PA Mom-mom wrote:
I can't think of anything more devastating than schools for special needs children being closed to them this fall. My granddaughter has been doing skype classes this summer. But that involves her mom spending 3 hours each morning in intense PT and OT classes. Therefore, her other 4 children, ages 2 to 12 have been left to school themselves for much of the time. Another relative has two young autistic children - one severely autistic. They have regressed considerably over the summer, because online learning just doesn't work for them. If we can't get schools open, there are going to be untold consequences for these children and especially for the special needs children in low income families who perhaps have both parents working. What's going to happen to them?

ETA My granddaughter is also blind so her skype lessons are only auditory for her.

I am a speech language pathologist that works with special needs preschool students. I have had some parents just plop their kids in front of the computer while they sit and play on their phone. Others like your granddaughter's mother that are working their butts off to benefit from on line learning. I do a lot of parent coaching during my on line sessions b/c ultimately the parents are the ones with the student all the time. This model works for many families whose students don't engage with the therapist on line.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@Isobel Archer wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
@Lali1 Oh, ok. I guess there are a lot of abused children in big city schools. It is always good if they are taken from their parents and placed with a good family.
It's not just "big city schools" and I am amazed this is a revelation for you.

@Isobel Archer "Big city schools". SMH

I am appalled that some believe child abuse only happens in one area, or in one socio-economic sphere, etc.

I am very concerned for those children who fall by the wayside as it is; and having teachers as mandated reporters is important. Children need a safe place to fall, to trust, to be able to tell what is happening to them.

It isn't just about reporting to social services; it isn't just pull the child out of the home and place him/her in foster care. These issues have procedures, do not happen over-night, and the lack of understanding about what some children go through is horrid.

Yes, teachers SHOULD be mandated reporters. They know their children; to say a child should not be cared about because teacher is busy is a crock.

Teaching isn't just about subjects; it is also about guiding and caring.

I pity any child who has a teacher who is there just for the job and nothing else.

We know parents should be responsible, should be nurturing, should be caring, etc. etc. etc. We know this.

Yet some are not. If some here want to push the responsibilty around by excluding certain groups of adults who can help, more the pity about those persons.

(I know you realize this is not meant at you, Isobel.)

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

ninjawife · ‎11-15-2011

@stevieb wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
If that is happening at home, do the neighbors and other family members have no responsiblity to report the abuse? Trying to force teachers to become social workers and solve all the worlds problems while actually teaching subjects is far too big a lift.

If you actually want more social workers and to improve Child Protective Services, I'm all for that. All children should be protected from abuse. At least we can all agree on that much. However, I think teachers should teach. Social workers should social work. And parents should parent. And babysitters should babysit. Don't try to make teachers do everything when you don't give them any support and make them buy their own supplies and safety gear anyway.
Many school systems have access to guidance counselors, school social workers, school psychologists and other specialists. When a teacher suspects abuse he or she can refer the matter onward to the appropriate resource. Even in smaller systems where those supports aren't available, there are protocols for how to manage suspected abuse. No one is expecting teachers to perform as CPS workers but they do spend several hours each day with a child and are in a prime position to note potential problems. As for expecting neighbors or other family to report issues, they might or might not be aware of them and they might or might not opt to become involved. It's not a perfect world.

I am a licensed speech language pathologist and in my state I am legally obligated to report abuse. I could lose my license or face fines or arrest if I don't. I can share my concerns with those other professionals that you mentioned but I cannot refer the matter onward, I am responsible for making the report myself.