Say A Prayer For Special Needs Children - Page 3

proudlyfromNJ · ‎05-01-2010

@Isobel Archer wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
@Lali1 Oh, ok. I guess there are a lot of abused children in big city schools. It is always good if they are taken from their parents and placed with a good family.
It's not just "big city schools" and I am amazed this is a revelation for you.

@Isobel Archer It is not a revelation. And I don't need your sarcasm. I have a number of family members who are teachers in NY and NJ and have not heard them say they have witnessed abused children. And one is an NYC teacher. Of course she teaches,high school so I imagine that would,have less abused. I grew up in a small town and did not have it there. I live in a small town now and have not heard of abused kids in my town. Now there are some poor towns in the county where that may be happening and I wouldn't hear it. Thanks for the chat.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

Children have become the collateral damage of this whole thing. Some are so afraid they will get sick that they are will to sacrifice the childrens' well being. Life can go on with precautions, yet there are those who want everything shut diwn......except for things they think are necessary.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
What is going to happen to the children if their parents get sick and/or lose their jobs or one or both of them die? I don't think the school can help them with that. There are lots of problems going on and spreading Covid more widely into our homes is not a well thought out solution.
So interesting how this virus just affects "some" people adversely.

It's fine for grocery store and Walmart workers, and delivery people, and those serving to work - but for teachers and educated people - oh nooooooo. Their lives are so much more imporatnt.

And if kids really - actually as opposed to hypothetically - suffer direct harm from no school, well that is soooo different from not being able to get your food delivered - you know what I mean. Priorities people.
No. You are projecting your lack of care for frontline workers. You are showing that since you don't care about them, you assume everyone else must feel the same. Not everyone considers their privilege and good fortune to be an entitlement that ought to be denied others.

I like many others want all frontline workers to be protected and to be able to sue their employers for unsafe conditions, which people who speak the way you do generally oppose. Teachers are on the front line just like delivery people and cashiers, and endangering them is not okay with me. And endangering childrean and exposing them to disease is not okay with me either. I don't have to pick and choose who I want to protect. I want us to protect us all, you included.
I was being sarcastic - why am I not surprised that you didn't see that.
So you were joking about such an important issue as child welfare. I will keep that in mind. That you sometimes say things you don't mean purely for entertainment value. I should not respond to you when you respond to me because I can have no idea whether you are sincere when you say something inflammatory or ugly. Be well.

Sarcasm is not the same as joking.

Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
Children have become the collateral damage of this whole thing. Some are so afraid they will get sick that they are will to sacrifice the childrens' well being. Life can go on with precautions, yet there are those who want everything shut diwn......except for things they think are necessary.

So true. I guess if the delivery drivers, grocery workers, etc get it it's ok.
I also cannot imagine what all this staying home is doing to people's immune system. I have never been more sick than this several months.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@Porcelain wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
If that is happening at home, do the neighbors and other family members have no responsiblity to report the abuse? Trying to force teachers to become social workers and solve all the worlds problems while actually teaching subjects is far too big a lift.

If you actually want more social workers and to improve Child Protective Services, I'm all for that. All children should be protected from abuse. At least we can all agree on that much. However, I think teachers should teach. Social workers should social work. And parents should parent. And babysitters should babysit. Don't try to make teachers do everything when you don't give them any support and make them buy their own supplies and safety gear anyway.

Many school systems have access to guidance counselors, school social workers, school psychologists and other specialists. When a teacher suspects abuse he or she can refer the matter onward to the appropriate resource. Even in smaller systems where those supports aren't available, there are protocols for how to manage suspected abuse. No one is expecting teachers to perform as CPS workers but they do spend several hours each day with a child and are in a prime position to note potential problems. As for expecting neighbors or other family to report issues, they might or might not be aware of them and they might or might not opt to become involved. It's not a perfect world.

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

Daycare facilities have been open at limited capacity for some time here in Ohio. This week the Governor announced they can go back to full capacity. Why can schools not open? The children need to be in school.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Lali1 · ‎08-21-2014

@stevieb wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@stevieb wrote:

@Porcelain wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
If that is happening at home, do the neighbors and other family members have no responsiblity to report the abuse? Trying to force teachers to become social workers and solve all the worlds problems while actually teaching subjects is far too big a lift.

If you actually want more social workers and to improve Child Protective Services, I'm all for that. All children should be protected from abuse. At least we can all agree on that much. However, I think teachers should teach. Social workers should social work. And parents should parent. And babysitters should babysit. Don't try to make teachers do everything when you don't give them any support and make them buy their own supplies and safety gear anyway.
Many school systems have guidance counselors, school social workers, school psychologists and other specialists. When a teacher suspects abuse he or she can refer the matter onward to the appropriate resource. Even in smaller systems where those supports aren't available, there are protocols for how to manage suspected abuse. No one is expecting teachers to perform as CPS workers but they do spend several hours each day with a child and are in a prime position to note potential problems. As for expecting neighbors or other family to report issues, they might or might not be aware of them and they might or might not opt to become involved. It's not a perfect world.

Yes and I wonder how exactly would those social workers find the children who need help while not in school. Would they just roam the neighborhoods knocking on doors?

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@Porcelain wrote:
What is going to happen to the children if their parents get sick and/or lose their jobs or one or both of them die? I don't think the school can help them with that. There are lots of problems going on and spreading Covid more widely into our homes is not a well thought out solution.
So interesting how this virus just affects "some" people adversely.

It's fine for grocery store and Walmart workers, and delivery people, and those serving to work - but for teachers and educated people - oh nooooooo. Their lives are so much more imporatnt.

And if kids really - actually as opposed to hypothetically - suffer direct harm from no school, well that is soooo different from not being able to get your food delivered - you know what I mean. Priorities people.
No. You are projecting your lack of care for frontline workers. You are showing that since you don't care about them, you assume everyone else must feel the same. Not everyone considers their privilege and good fortune to be an entitlement that ought to be denied others.

I like many others want all frontline workers to be protected and to be able to sue their employers for unsafe conditions, which people who speak the way you do generally oppose. Teachers are on the front line just like delivery people and cashiers, and endangering them is not okay with me. And endangering childrean and exposing them to disease is not okay with me either. I don't have to pick and choose who I want to protect. I want us to protect us all, you included.
I was being sarcastic - why am I not surprised that you didn't see that.
So you were joking about such an important issue as child welfare. I will keep that in mind. That you sometimes say things you don't mean purely for entertainment value. I should not respond to you when you respond to me because I can have no idea whether you are sincere when you say something inflammatory or ugly. Be well.

With all due respect, what you might do is take a deep breath, climb down off your soapbox, recognize the world is a vastly imperfect place, and yes, no matter how dastardly the topic, realize there can be some levity associated with it... Just sayin'...

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

Janey2 · ‎06-07-2010

Teachers are mandated reporters of abuse. If a teacher even suspects any type of abuse they must report it. Nothing happens to the teacher, even if he/she is wrong. Suicides are up among older teenagers. These older kids are home with pretty much nothing to do. Nothing good comes from too much time on your hands. Special needs and poor children are the worst hit. They are regressing and might never catch up. These are two groups where on line learning is not helping.

Silver Lining · ‎04-16-2010

@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Lali1 wrote:
Indeed! Also all the abused children who have no one to look out for them now.
@Lali1 I don't understand about the abused children. Do you mean they live with abusive parents but are ok at school?
Children who are abused don't get noticed when they are home. It's happening. Children often tell the teacher or the teachers sees the signs. Now they are just hidden.
@Lali1 Oh, ok. I guess there are a lot of abused children in big city schools. It is always good if they are taken from their parents and placed with a good family.
It's not just "big city schools" and I am amazed this is a revelation for you.
@Isobel Archer It is not a revelation. And I don't need your sarcasm. I have a number of family members who are teachers in NY and NJ and have not heard them say they have witnessed abused children. And one is an NYC teacher. Of course she teaches,high school so I imagine that would,have less abused. I grew up in a small town and did not have it there. I live in a small town now and have not heard of abused kids in my town. Now there are some poor towns in the county where that may be happening and I wouldn't hear it. Thanks for the chat.