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Free2be · ‎03-10-2010

On 1/18/2015 Smaug said:
On 1/18/2015 Free2be said:
CSPAN 2 re-ran the interview with Chris Kyle yesterday. It was filmed about a year before his death. He was very gracious and caring, very kind attitude toward vets. It's too bad he felt the need to elaborate with untruths in his book.

Jesse Ventura has every right to do what most would have done, set the record straight. The widow and family will make out very well with the book and movie proceeds plus her upcoming book. No doubt many have contributed to support them through their grief and loss.

As for calling Ventura "scum", someone even said that about his family, or that he wasn't a hero -- most vets are not considered heroes -- or they all are, depending on frame of mind. I think JV has seen a lot of ugly politics which is probably the source of his theories. I may not agree with him but If he is scum, so are we all.

Unless one considers WWF combat Ventura never saw it. As for vets not begin considered heroes anyone who has been in war, who has fought for our country, is a hero in my eyes. That includes Kyle and omits Ventura.

Many have witnessed ugly politics but that doesn't bring out the weirdo conspiracy theories in them. Nor does it make one sue Homeland Security and TSA because you had to endure a pat down when you set off the metal detector.

Your statement 'if he's scum so are we all' I have no idea what you mean by that.

Jesse Ventura served America honorably doing what he was assigned to do, combat or not, as many other service people do also. I'm not familiar with all he did or did not, but I honor his service and also that he went on to serve as Governor, an honorable endeavor, won by the vote of the people. If he has some off the rail ideas not shared by most, that doesn't cancel out the good he has done and, imo, doesn't make him scum anymore than I am scum, or anyone else. Ergo, if he is scum so are we all.

SnowPink · ‎09-20-2014

On 1/18/2015 Free2be said:

Jesse Ventura served America honorably doing what he was assigned to do, combat or not, as many other service people do also. I'm not familiar with all he did or did not, but I honor his service and also that he went on to serve as Governor, an honorable endeavor, won by the vote of the people. If he has some off the rail ideas not shared by most, that doesn't cancel out the good he has done and, imo, doesn't make him scum anymore than I am scum, or anyone else. Ergo, if he is scum so are we all.

The good he has done doesn't cancel out his scumminess. This melodramatic post was eyeroll worthy, Free.

FUTURE · ‎04-11-2010

On 1/18/2015 Smaug said:
On 1/18/2015 croemer said:
On 1/18/2015 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 1/18/2015 croemer said:
Michael Moore is an ungrateful idiot BTW.

I could not believe that tweet.

Just when I think he can not disgust me more...he tops himself.

He was being childish. Not surprised by it.

I'm not surprised, either. Ughhhhhhhhhh.........

foundinlv · ‎04-20-2012

According to Wiki....

Ventura served in the United States Navy from December 1, 1969, to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era. He graduated in BUD/S class 58 in December 1970^[10] and was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12^[2]^{[11] ,}

The Underwater Demolition Teams (UDT) were an elite special-purpose force established by the United States Navy during World War II. They also served during the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Their primary function was to reconnoiter and destroy enemy defensive obstacles on beaches prior to amphibious landings. They also were the frogmen who retrieved astronauts after splashdown in the Mercury through Apollo manned space flight programs.^[1]

The UDTs reconnoitered beaches and the waters just offshore, locating reefs, rocks, and shoals that would interfere with landing craft. They also used explosives to demolish underwater obstacles planted by the enemy. As the U.S. Navy's elite combat swimmers, they were employed to breach the cables and nets protecting enemy harbors, plant limpet mines on enemy ships, and locate and mark mines for clearing by minesweepers. They also conducted river surveys and foreign military training.

The UDTs pioneered combat swimming, closed-circuit diving, underwater demolitions, and midget submarine (dry and wet submersible) operations. They were the precursor to the present-day United States Navy SEALs.^[2]

In 1983, after additional SEAL training, the UDTs were re-designated as SEAL Teams or Swimmer Delivery Vehicle Teams (SDVTs). SDVTs have since been re-designated SEAL Delivery Vehicle Teams.^[3]

Say Nay · ‎03-12-2010

If you're going to get into SEALs and UDT you need to step off wiki.

This is a snip from the SD Reader dated 1999. The article is lengthy but worth the read. Remember San Diego is a military town and proudly so.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/?page=1&

"...Trainees for the seals and udts completed the same fabled basic course conducted on the Strand; however, during and after the Vietnam War, seals underwent specialized training at such places as the U.S. Army Ranger and Special Forces schools. Frogmen never went near Rangers or Snake-eaters.

The difference in training reflected the difference in missions: seals in platoons of 12 to 14 men went looking for the VC and NVA in the swamps, paddies, and jungles of Vietnam; udts in platoons of 22 men conducted hydrographic recons in advance of actual or anticipated Marine amphibious landings. Most of these recons were “admin,” or unopposed by the enemy. udts mainly floated around the South China Sea on ships with Marine battalion landing teams as part of what’s called an amphibious ready group or arg.

In recognition of the differing missions, the Navy classified frogmen as “5321s” and seals as “5326s.” The seals and frogmen also had different unit cartoon totems: Freddie the Frog and Sammy the Seal.

These are not distinctions without differences. No one from udt during the Vietnam War would dare misrepresent himself as a seal. Consider this: seal Team One, with roughly the same number of men as udt 12, had 34 killed during the war. I knew many of them. udt 12 lost but a single man. 34:1…"

ETA the article was written by Bill Salisbury.

CDR Salisbury served as a Navy SEAL for 16 years. His assignments included OIC, SEAL Team ONE Det Golf in the Rung Sat Special Zone of South Vietnam (1967), XO SEAL Team TWO (1970), CO UDT ELEVEN (1977 - 79). CDR Salisbury was also a Country and Regional Specialist for Latin America with duty in Panama (1972), Peru (1973 - 1976) and Honduras (1982).

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Nancy Drew · ‎03-11-2010

On 1/18/2015 Free2be said:
CSPAN 2 re-ran the interview with Chris Kyle yesterday. It was filmed about a year before his death. He was very gracious and caring, very kind attitude toward vets. It's too bad he felt the need to elaborate with untruths in his book.

Jesse Ventura has every right to do what most would have done, set the record straight. The widow and family will make out very well with the book and movie proceeds plus her upcoming book. No doubt many have contributed to support them through their grief and loss.

As for calling Ventura "scum", someone even said that about his family, or that he wasn't a hero -- most vets are not considered heroes -- or they all are, depending on frame of mind. I think JV has seen a lot of ugly politics which is probably the source of his theories. I may not agree with him but If he is scum, so are we all.

Chris Kyle said in his book " I didn't want to be mistaken for your average navy puke". I have mixed feelings about the guy. He is like anyone else both good and bad. I do think he was a hero doing a job I wouldn't want yet he has been accused of lying.

Wrong is still wrong just because you benefited from it.

Say Nay · ‎03-12-2010

Memoirs tend to be a mix of truth and fiction; sometimes because human memory is faulty, sometimes because it's to mislead. Anyone remember the North Korean camp survivor who wrote a best selling memoir and was interviewed on 60 Minutes? Shin Dong-hyuk has now changed his story. The changes seem to be minor ones but he says he will end his work against North Korean prison camps.

Either Kyle lied or failed to remember accurately (IMO he lied) about some incidents in his book but it isn't the first time it's happened in a book and it won't be the last.

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SugarNSpice · ‎03-26-2010

On 1/18/2015 Smaug said:
If you're going to get into SEALs and UDT you need to step off wiki.

This is a snip from the SD Reader dated 1999. The article is lengthy but worth the read. Remember San Diego is a military town and proudly so.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1999/dec/02/jesse-great-pretender-ventura/?page=1&

"...Trainees for the seals and udts completed the same fabled basic course conducted on the Strand; however, during and after the Vietnam War, seals underwent specialized training at such places as the U.S. Army Ranger and Special Forces schools. Frogmen never went near Rangers or Snake-eaters.

The difference in training reflected the difference in missions: seals in platoons of 12 to 14 men went looking for the VC and NVA in the swamps, paddies, and jungles of Vietnam; udts in platoons of 22 men conducted hydrographic recons in advance of actual or anticipated Marine amphibious landings. Most of these recons were “admin,” or unopposed by the enemy. udts mainly floated around the South China Sea on ships with Marine battalion landing teams as part of what’s called an amphibious ready group or arg.

In recognition of the differing missions, the Navy classified frogmen as “5321s” and seals as “5326s.” The seals and frogmen also had different unit cartoon totems: Freddie the Frog and Sammy the Seal.

These are not distinctions without differences. No one from udt during the Vietnam War would dare misrepresent himself as a seal. Consider this: seal Team One, with roughly the same number of men as udt 12, had 34 killed during the war. I knew many of them. udt 12 lost but a single man. 34:1…"

ETA the article was written by Bill Salisbury.

CDR Salisbury served as a Navy SEAL for 16 years. His assignments included OIC, SEAL Team ONE Det Golf in the Rung Sat Special Zone of South Vietnam (1967), XO SEAL Team TWO (1970), CO UDT ELEVEN (1977 - 79). CDR Salisbury was also a Country and Regional Specialist for Latin America with duty in Panama (1972), Peru (1973 - 1976) and Honduras (1982).