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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs

@I am still oxox :  As a previous poster mentioned, employees of the Federal Govt are subject to very different rules (including that some CSRS employees aren't entitled to Medicare-- as they didn't pay into it).  DH and I are both Federal retirees and have BCBS as our supplement.  It's not the cheapest alternative but we have high medical and prescription costs so that's what works for us.  Another factor is are you living in a rural location (you may be surprised: Santa Barbara is considered "rural"), this definitely affects the cost of your coverage.

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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs


@I am still oxox wrote:

@Eileen in Virginia 

 

Thank you for the info, I was kind of alarmed that the plan we are on has no option for retires, since open season is in the Fall and he is not retiring for a year, we have plenty of time to ask all the questions we need and ave all our "ducks in a row" when he retires.

 


@Eileen in Virginia wrote:

@I am still oxox  You’re getting a lot of well-intentioned feedback based on experience with plans in the private sector or state/local government. BUT THE RULES THAT APPLY IN THESE SECTORS DON’T NECESSARILY APPLY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. You need to base your decision on information that you’ve obtained from OPM’s website or the official website of the FEHB plan you and your husband are enrolled in or the one(s) you’re considering transferring to in anticipation of his retirement.

 

If you decide to opt out of the FEHB program on the basis of unofficial information, you won’t be allowed to re-enroll at a later date if problems arise. The fact that you made a decision on the basis of inaccurate information isn’t an acceptable reason for allowing you to re-enroll in the FEHB program. Remember, retirees and survivor annuitants can elect to transfer to a different FEHB plan each year at Open Season, so you aren’t limited to the one your husband had at retirement. You can choose from the full spectrum of the plans participating in the FEHB program. 

 

 

 

 


 


Eileen has given you excellent advice.  I, too, am a retired fed employee.  I worked in HR for many years and dealt with employee benefits.  I completely agree with her.

I kept my Fed Blue Cross and signed up for Medicare A & B.  Yes, it is a big chunk of money, but I can't afford not to have it.  We don't know what's going to happen to us one day but we need to be prepared.  With my insurances I haven't paid anything health wise since retiring.  No co-pays, no deductibles.  Nada.  BC has a good drug program and my prescription costs are minimal.  I think I pay $3 for each.  I just finished up PT for 6 weeks that didn't cost me anything, I had cataract surgery in January that didn't cost anything. 

Like Eileen said, if you drop your insurance you cannot get it back.  I would never do that.

There's more to consider than just the cost of insurance.  Your husband should talk to his benefits administrator at his place of employment.

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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs

For those who have mentioned and questioned obtaining a Supplement after the special enrollment period which is within a six month period of your Medicare effective date I will explain.

 

Your are free to Downgrade your supplemental coverage, but you probably won't want to.  The reason is the downgraded coverage will cost you more than your current coverage.  Insurance companies will charge you more now because of Pre-X and because you will also be penalized if you are out of your 6 month Medicare Part B enrollment period.

 

example...you currently have Plan F and have had it for five years, your cost is $200 a month.  You want to downgrade to Plan C.  Plan C might now cost you $240 a month, where as it is only $160 for new enrollees. So, if you want to downgrade, it will cost $40 a month more.

 

You want to upgrade your supplement to a better one.....not allowed.

 

You have an Advantage Plan and want to switch to Traditional Medicare during the open enrollment period from Oct to December.  There will be no issue switching coverage to Medicare.

 

Your issue is with trying to purchase a supplement.  Some insurance companies will not sell you a supplement.  The insurance companies who do , will subject you to an underwriting process.  That means you will have to provide at least two years worth of medical history, plus answer a whole team of questions about your lifestyle.  They can and will decline to sell you coverage for Preexisting conditions and other medical issues.  They can and will charge you  more for the coverage, even if you have never been sick.

 

It will be a substantial increase, not just slightly more, often hundreds of dollars more a month to purchase a supplement at this point. Also, if you want RX coverage, you will pay more for that too. A penalty is added and is based on how long you were eligible for Medicare Part D and didn't have it.

 

There are some circumstances where these penalties will not be applied.  if you move to another state for example, or you have an serious illness listed by Medicare as a reason to switch.  If fact, Medicare might force you to go back to Original Medicare for some issues.

 

The bottom line is...if you choose an Advantage Plan, be prepared to stay in some sort of Advantage Plan for the rest of your life.  It is cost prohibitive to get a supplement outside of your Medicare Part B enrollment period if you can even find a company that will insure you.

 

If you have Original Medicare, you can always switch to an Advantage Plan with no penalties.  You can also change your Advantage Plan every year during the October to Dec open enrollment period. 

 

Always choose an Medicare Part D coverage if you have a supplement.  If you do not use RX drugs..choose the cheapest plan you can find.  You can always upgrade next year to a better RX plan.  If you do not choose an Medicare Part B Plan when you are first eligible, you will owe stiff penalties later.

 

If you have creditable RX coverage through your employer, those RX penalties will be waived with proper documentation.

 

The  next time a broker tells you you can switch to Original Medicare during the open enrollment period and purchase a supplement, ask him or her how many people do it and what company sells them the supplements and at what cost. 

 

These brokers only give you half of the information, they aren't lying, they are leaving info out.

 

How do I know this?  Well, I was the person who listened to older people and their family members cry and complain to me when these issues came up when someone because really sick and big bills started to come in.  There was nothing I could do for them except feel so very sorry and sometimes cry with them.

 

i have seen the worse cases where people didn't understand what they were buying and Medicare rules that are applied.  All these rules are put in place by our government to protect people. They also keep people from choosing a cheap policy when they are younger and healthier and switching to a more comprehensive policy when they are older and sick.  If people were allowed to do this, most of us would and our rates would be higher than they are now.

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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs

@Carmie , you are a wealth of knowledge in this field and sharing it is much appreciated.

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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs


@Financialgrl wrote:

@ceekay wrote:

@Blingqueen023 - did you stay with the FEPBlue standard option or drop to the Basic option when you went on Medicare?  My husband will start Medicare later this year (he is FERS).  I know it will be his primary and most retired Feds we know have changed to the lower Blue Cross option for their secondary.  We too love the FEPBlue plan.  I am CSRS and so do not have to take Medicare but have a few years before I have to decide.  

 

@I am still oxox - good luck figuring this all out.  So many options and so many things to consider!  It gets confusing.  At least you have a good lead time to make decisions.

 

 


I will need to make this same decision next year and I'm a federal CSRS retiree.  My father was the same and when he hit 65, he never signed up for Medicare Part B - just kept using his Federal Employee Health Benefits plan. 

 

It paid as before so no need for Parts B or C.  He still had copays/deductibles and, if in any year he ventured into the catastrophic amount (which he eventually did with kidney problems) his out of pocket cost per year was a maximum of $5000 just as before.  I was recently googling this and many federal retirees still do the same.   My only fear is what happens if they make a lot of changes to healthcare type situations - would we be grandfathered?


Someone else may know more and I hope they chime in.  I thought if you opted out of Part B (which as you note many retired Feds do), there is a big penalty if you decide to take it later.  

 

I kept my Federal ins into returement AND also signed up for part B.  

 

My worry is the push to eliminate all health insurance - and put us on Medicare for All or some other form of single payer.  I see nothing but trouble if that happens.

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@Mom2Dogs   I went on Medicare May 1.  Now I get to experience what I know.  I have a Dr. Appt on Monday.  I hope I can get some pain relief for my knee and hope that  my claims get paid correctly.

 

I am currently fighting with my previous employer ( health insurance company) over my DH's claim that wasn't processed correctly. I called again today and had to explain the proper benefit to the CSR.  

 

It not any more fun being on the customer side of the phone than it was being the CSR.

 

 

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@Isobel Archer   you can opt of if Medicare Part B without any penalty if you have creditable coverage from another source.  I am pretty sure the Federal Employee Plan is creditable.

 

It is very common for people not to have Medicare Part B when they have employee coverage either working or retired.  You can save a whole lot of money each year by opting out.

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@Carmie I hope you get some relief for your pain....several times I have had to call the doctor's office because it (office visit) was coded wrong...especially the medicare physical...they always try to bill dh for that visit....I told him since you cannot ask questions, he might as well for go that yearly appointment.  I see it as unnecessary as he is very healthy.

 

....now you get to 'school' the customer service agents, great!

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Reiki604  -  will you still need to pay Medicare premiums in addition to your Plan F premiums?

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Re: Retirement and health insurance costs


@shoesnbags wrote:

@GraceCO wrote:

@shoesnbags wrote:

@Carmie wrote:

@GraceCO   Good luck with that.  

 

Are you aware that you can switch back to Original Medicare, but will probably not be able to get or afford a Supplement Plan to go along with it?

 

You can switch to a different Advantage Plan during open enrollment with no problems every year, or choose to go to Original Medicare, but supplements are only available to you to purchase within 6 months of your Medicare Part B effective date. And if you want RX coverage with that, you will pay a high penalty to get it now.

 

Some insurance companies might sell you a supplement, but you will have to pay an extremely high rate to get it....if you can even find one who will.

 

You should have done your homework. It's a good thing you like your insurance, because you will have to live with it or another Advantage Plan of your choosing.


@Carmie 

Thank you for commenting.  This is what we were told by the senior insurance specialist we consulted, and it was the reason we chose Medicare with a supplement rather than an Advantage plan.  Didn't want to get locked into an option that was basically a permanent deal.  We wanted to preserve our options at this point. 


@shoesnbags 

 

It's not a "permanent deal"--you can switch from Medicare Advantage to a MediGap policy. If you remain in your current state, you may pay slightly higher premiums, but it may be worth it. For those who are moving out of state in retirement, they can switch to a MediGap policy, without penalty at all.


@GraceCO 

We were told that the Medigap plan premiums would be more than “slightly higher”. They would be significantly higher for someone switching from an advantage plan as opposed to someone choosing a Medigap policy as a first choice when going on Medicare.  Enough of a difference that switching wouldn’t  be a good option at that point.  Please come back and let us know what you find when you attempt to make that change. 


@shoesnbags 

 

Whoever told you that is incorrect--it depends on what state you live in and your health status. The premiums quoted to me are very affordable. And, I'm guessing you didn't know that moving to another state resets the timeclock on MediGap enrollment without penalty. Maybe with a little more research you and others will find there are more options to make a policy switch.