Community Chat

[Shanus]

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@ms traditional wrote:

when all is said and done it will be instructive to compare infection rates in areas that practiced social distancing etc vs those that totally locked down.  countries like Sweden and Brazil did not lock down.   we'll see what the numbers tell us then.  we are still writing the story now.

the NYC area situation will have to be studied - and conclusions drawn and lessons learned and recommendations made.  awful to see that unfold.  it is beyond being a "hot" spot. 

i'll be interested to hear Dr Fauci's ideas for his gradual re-opening in May as he broached yesterday.  perhaps we'll hear more on Tuesday.

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@ms traditional   As usual, I'm hearing conflicting reports and dates from varied individuals. Some say universal testing would be necessary before an "all clear", others want to open small businesses but w/ restrictions of a small percentage of customers allowed in to stimulate the economy while some think lockdown needs to continue until mid-May. There's confusion about whether these decisions are made by individual states & their governors or at a national level. At this rate, how can anything be decided?

[ms traditional]

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@Shanus wrote:

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@ms traditional wrote:

when all is said and done it will be instructive to compare infection rates in areas that practiced social distancing etc vs those that totally locked down.  countries like Sweden and Brazil did not lock down.   we'll see what the numbers tell us then.  we are still writing the story now.

the NYC area situation will have to be studied - and conclusions drawn and lessons learned and recommendations made.  awful to see that unfold.  it is beyond being a "hot" spot. 

i'll be interested to hear Dr Fauci's ideas for his gradual re-opening in May as he broached yesterday.  perhaps we'll hear more on Tuesday.

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@ms traditional   As usual, I'm hearing conflicting reports and dates from varied individuals. Some say universal testing would be necessary before an "all clear", others want to open small businesses but w/ restrictions of a small percentage of customers allowed in to stimulate the economy while some think lockdown needs to continue until mid-May. There's confusion about whether these decisions are made by individual states & their governors or at a national level. At this rate, how can anything be decided?

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@Shanus  !!!  i expect to see as many variations on opening up as we had on shutting down. we should hear a lot more of what is decided on federal and state levels now that people are planning.

i wish we had more data on the comparison of rate of infection in areas that shut down vs those that just social distanced.  that would be very helpful to know. 

[bikerbabe]

@ms traditional

It’s more than just social distancing vs shutdown. For example, population density is a major factor that drives infection rates. Also demographics, major job industries, travel patterns, level of compliance by the public...

[ms traditional]

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@bikerbabe wrote:
@ms traditional

It’s more than just social distancing vs shutdown. For example, population density is a major factor that drives infection rates. Also demographics, major job industries, travel patterns, level of compliance by the public...

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@bikerbabe  yes of course .  comparisons would have to be of one place to a similar place.

[QueenDanceALot]

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@bikerbabe wrote:
@ms traditional

It’s more than just social distancing vs shutdown. For example, population density is a major factor that drives infection rates. Also demographics, major job industries, travel patterns, level of compliance by the public...

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@bikerbabe 

To me, it only makes sense that population density is a major factor because it's much more difficult in dense populations to adhere to social distancing.

I saw a NYC nurse talking to a reporter about going to work every day from her home in NYC to her job in NYC.  She had to take the subway, she had no other option.

Good luck trying to social distance on a NYC subway.

And that's just one example of tight living in a big city.

[ms traditional]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@bikerbabe wrote:
@ms traditional

It’s more than just social distancing vs shutdown. For example, population density is a major factor that drives infection rates. Also demographics, major job industries, travel patterns, level of compliance by the public...

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@bikerbabe 

To me, it only makes sense that population density is a major factor because it's much more difficult in dense populations to adhere to social distancing.

I saw a NYC nurse talking to a reporter about going to work every day from her home in NYC to her job in NYC.  She had to take the subway, she had no other option.

Good luck trying to social distance on a NYC subway.

And that's just one example of tight living in a big city.

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i think NYC has a lot of studying and thinking to do about preparing for the future.  it is a petri dish for disease - people packed in, everyone using public transportation ........

[QueenDanceALot]

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@ms traditional wrote:

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@bikerbabe wrote:
@ms traditional

It’s more than just social distancing vs shutdown. For example, population density is a major factor that drives infection rates. Also demographics, major job industries, travel patterns, level of compliance by the public...

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@bikerbabe 

To me, it only makes sense that population density is a major factor because it's much more difficult in dense populations to adhere to social distancing.

I saw a NYC nurse talking to a reporter about going to work every day from her home in NYC to her job in NYC.  She had to take the subway, she had no other option.

Good luck trying to social distance on a NYC subway.

And that's just one example of tight living in a big city.

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i think NYC has a lot of studying and thinking to do about preparing for the future.  it is a petri dish for disease - people packed in, everyone using public transportation ........

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@ms traditional 

I'm not sure how "thinking" will change the fact that there are millions of people packed onto a small island.  It's not rocket science.

Friends of mine who live there (I lived there for many years) are keenly aware of the challenges.   Heck, you can't even get into an elevator in a high rise without being shoulder to shoulder with people.  You can't walk down many NYC streets without brushing against people.

So many examples.  It is what it is.

[ms traditional]

@QueenDanceALot  yes i lived there several years as well.  people make the choice to live there. it wasn't for me.

i was thinking more about their Dept of Health. i had read that Bloomberg tried to institute a pandemic preparedness program stockpiling ppe and ventilators, etc - but that budget cuts made that fizzle.  hmmmm.....

[QueenDanceALot]

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@ms traditional wrote:

@QueenDanceALot  yes i lived there several years as well.  people make the choice to live there. it wasn't for me.

i was thinking more about their Dept of Health. i had read that Bloomberg tried to institute a pandemic preparedness program stockpiling ppe and ventilators, etc - but that budget cuts made that fizzle.  hmmmm.....

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@ms traditional 

People will always whine about budget, won't they?  OH, no more taxes!!

Not different by what we're hearing from people all over the country right now., speaking of "choice".  Money or lives.

[PamfromCT]

Obviously some think differently, but cities and states have difficulty enough meeting all their needs without spending money on potential emergencies, such as pandemics.  I always thought that was the role of our federal government, who receives a lion’s share of our tax money.  I would likewise expect areas of our country suffering from extensive flooding, fires, tornadoes, etc., to be helped by our Federal government.

We do pay taxes to our town, to our state, and, of course, the federal government.  Our fair share.  I wonder if everyone (including large corporations) pays their share.  Hmm....