Community Chat

[Lion]

On 11/29/2014 terrier3 said:

On 11/29/2014 occasional rain said:

He didn't drag her by the legs. Were you watching same video the rest of us were?

First she came at him and he moved to the other side of the elevator, she then came at him again and he hit her. Both seem to be brawlers and both are equally guilty of assault.

So, if a small man goes after a large man the large man has no right to defend himself?

Women want equal rights when it comes to jobs and pay but they want extra rights when it comes to assault, they can hit, kick, spit on, slap... any man and he's supposed to just take it.

Anyone who assaults another, no matter size, deserves what they get. The exception to that is a child or adult with diminished mental capacity.

Do you just post outrageous things to get a rise out of people???

No sensible person can possibly condone what he did to his wife.

I believe s/he does just that. Devil's advocate?

[Lion]

There is never an excuse for a man to hit a woman. Never.

The man almost always has the advantage of physical force over the woman - the "upper hand".

There's a reason why decent adults teach young boys to never hit a girl, no matter what.

I'd never have anything to do with any man who thinks it's OK to hit a woman under any circumstances. I would never defend such a thing or make excuses for it.

[Irshgrl31201]

On 11/29/2014 TaxyLady said:

I don't think anyone is condoning his actions. No man should hit a woman. But, there is a breaking point for everyone. I think both of them acted irrationally. If someone has been drinking, acting irritated or angry, it is best not to pour salt in the wound and make the situation worse. Common sense should tell you that.

So they both have some responsibility. I hope they are working things out.

I agree with you that both of them acted irrationally and you can tell this isn't her first time at the rodeo, she is a fighter too.

I have witnessed this many times with people I know. I knew a girl who dated a guy who was a really good guy, no history of abuse and had never had any type of physical altercation with a girlfriend before. Never even had a fight with a man. Well he started dating this girl who seemed nice but when she drank she was so abusive. She talked to him horribly and insulting in front of everyone. She was a couple of inches shorter and maybe 20 lbs lighter than him. We all knew she had hit him several times in the past and once when she was drinknig she bit his arm and broke skin and left complete teeth marks. He never hit her back in any of these altercations. He had broken up with her several times and she begged him back and promised to get counseling and stop drinking. He loved her very much so he took her back really believing she would get help. One night we all went out downtown and my husband and I had our car towed for parking in the wrong place. He ended up giving us a ride home with her in the passenger seat and us in the back. She had a couple of beverages and started screaming at him for talking to another girl she didn't know. It was completely platonic and the girl he talked to was an old friend of ours. Out of no where, she punched him as hard as she could on the side of the face while he was driving. He hauled off and hit her back in the face. He did that because she was still hitting him and trying to throw the car into park. She later called the police and tried to press charges against him for hitting her. I was appalled. She was the instigator in every single fight and had hurt him. This was the first time he hit her because he literally lost it. I feel he hit her back to stop her attack because he was driving too. Anyway we told the police exactly what happened and no charges were pressed and he broke up with her and got an order of protection which she broke several times. She totally went Fatal Attraction on him and it took months to get this crazy woman out of his life.

Now, I myself was an abuse victim and I left immediately. I never hit him at all and I was a complete victim but I know woman who are equally, if not more responsible for the violence in their relationships and this girl was one of them.

I just watched a video last week of a couple of girls on a subway harassing a guy on there with him. They were brutal, ripping him apart for what he was wearing and trying to humiliate him. They slapped the phone out of a guys hand who was trying to record the incident and then she hit the guy she was originally bullying. He then slapped the snot out of her. I think she totally deserved it and I believe the charges against him were later dropped because he was defending himself and I think she was charged with felony assault which she should have been.

[Irshgrl31201]

Oops, here is the video I was speaking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWzMlNh8AU8

You can fast forward it to .33 seconds to get to the altercation.

[terrier3]

Why, on a thread about Ray Rice, are so many posting about women attacking men?

It's not as if one cancels out the other...

[chrystaltree]

Of course, some team will sign him. If his then girlfriend, now his wife is okay with it, why do other people care so much? It was a no brainer that he would win the appeal. An employer cannot sanction an employee and then re-sanction just because the press and the pubic object.

[Irshgrl31201]

On 11/29/2014 terrier3 said:

Why, on a thread about Ray Rice, are so many posting about women attacking men?

It's not as if one cancels out the other...

Oh, I don't think it cancels it out either but several posters brought up good points about her accountability in this matter. I don't believe that gave him the right to hit her but she has a child and to act this way in front of a child (and if they did it there, you know they are doing it at home) makes her just as responsible for emotionally damaging her child. She has been just as aggressive as he has, only she doesn't have the brute force that he has but it is just as emotionally damaging to see the mom engaging in this.

People are posting about women attacking men because when you act like she did, she has a role in it too and studies are saying that women are competing with men in the amount of domestic violence and even surpassing them in certain areas.

[Melania]

O/T: Irishgrl, did you get to try the Brussels Sprouts?

Where we went they had a different version with pancetta and no cider. They were very good too.

[Financialgrl]

Thoughts on all this - heard earlier on news that no one will take him back this early but as others have said, probably next year. However the news guys were saying they bet he comes back in one year contract increments - for two reasons - to dump him if he causes additional problems and secondly because he was not doing great anyway. They also said any team hiring him will know they can offer him salaries much less than prior to all this.

I blame the NFL for them giving him such a light sentence in the first place - they blew it. My two cents FWIW - I don't believe for a minute this was the first time he hit her, not with the force and power behind the punch and dragging her out of the elevator.

I also predict that once his career is over and he dumps his wife, we'll be hearing from her that this wasn't the first time he hit her; how she stayed with him to keep the family together - you know - - all those excuses we hear from women in the same situation.

[hyacinth003]

Read today that several other "star" NFL players said they would love to have him back! No surprise there.

I am kind of ambivalent about the NFL's role in this. However, I do think they have it in the contract that if you behave badly they can get rid of you. This is bad behavior. The legal system should have dealt with this properly.

Never fails to surprise me when guys are given life on a silver platter (a sports contract) for millions of dollars, and they can't BEHAVE themselves.

I find NO EXCUSE for a man hitting a woman (unless he truly was in danger from that woman). Especially an NFL player type man. They are huge, muscular, and no woman can really defend herself against a man. It is a grossly unfair match.

His wife looked to be a participant, but he could easily fend her off. NO EXCUSE here.

Hyacinth