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[Mindy D]

As of 2:53 Monday

BROWARD

CONFIRMED CASES 6,322

Up 7.4% Since last week

DEATHS 281

Up 8.9% Since last week

Florida

CONFIRMED CASES 46,442

DEATHS. 1,997

Dade 15,860 cases, up 11.9% from last week. Deaths, 566, up 15.5%

[pigletsmom]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

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@pigletsmom wrote:

But there are many people who are in a panic. We have people on this board who freak out if someone in the grocery store goes the wrong direction in an aisle. We've put people in the position where they are panicked because someone walks by them even when they are both wearing masks. People becoming a nervous wreck when they're walking outside and suddenly come within 3 feet of people. If you go to the grocery store and then fret for 2 weeks about getting sick that's being in a panic. No one seems to remember that the six foot rule is based on talking not being alive. 

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@pigletsmom 

I only see these extreme reactions from a handful of people here (and elsewhere).  Concern and caution doesn't equal "panic".

And re: what I underlined, the 6 foot rule is based on breathing.  

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Dr Fauci said it was based on talking during a press conference. Of course people could talk at any time so probably still good to keep the distance but people freaking out because some one walks by them in the store is a bit out there.

And we have a lot more than concern and caution going on over this pandemic. We shut everything down and now if you dare talk about reopening you're told you don't care if you kill people. This reaction wouldn't have happened even 30 years ago. There wouldn't have been a constant drumbeat on TV, no Internet to tell you every nightmare story. It for sure didn't happen 50 years ago and that virus is still around. 

[Somertime]

@Mindy D Thank you!  For those of us who live in Florida, WE know our numbers are INCREASING and not, only, in Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade.  Thanks to our Governor, airline traffic from other states is starting to increase as well.  Wonderful, come on down, increase our numbers even more!

[lianne]

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@Mindy D wrote:

As of 2:53 Monday

BROWARD

CONFIRMED CASES 6,322

Up 7.4% Since last week

DEATHS 281

Up 8.9% Since last week

Florida

CONFIRMED CASES 46,442

DEATHS. 1,997

Dade 15,860 cases, up 11.9% from last week. Deaths, 566, up 15.5%

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Florida, Texas and Georgia all going UP since they opened early.

But whoever in this thread that said Florida was doing well must live in a very unpopulated part of Florida or is answering based on politics not reality.

I watch Florida because my dad lives there and their governor was awful and lazy considering the large elderly population there. I just saw another article from there of a man on social media insisting it was a hoax and hysteria is now in the hospital and his wife is on a ventilator for 2 weeks. 

[pitdakota]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

@pitdakota, please continue to post your informative and well-educated responses. They always give me hope when I'm wondering whether we've all collectively gone nuts. :-)

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@suzyQ3, well that's all I got!  LOL!  Seriously, it is just the data from the Indiana website.  They do have quite a bit of information and data from their health department that they make available to the public.  

[Porcelain]

Increased deaths are part of the reopening plans. No one is denying that. Some just don't care much about it.

[pitdakota]

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@StylishLady wrote:

Anyone remember all these measures during the flu outbreak of 1968-1969 that killed 100,000 in the US and over a million world wide ? I thought so. 

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@StylishLady, that would be a totally different situation.  There had been a previous pandemic in 1957 with many that had contracted that strain of flu that epidemiologists thought would provide some protection with some immunity.  In addition they also had flu vaccines for the Hong Kong flu.

Additionally, SARS-CoV2 has a higher level of infectivity than Hong Kong flu.  In technical terms, it has a higher R naught value with no measures taken to prevent transmission than the Hong Kong flu virus. 

So when compared to this virus, higher R naught value, no known hope for even partial immunity with a totally novel virus and no vaccine.  That is why you really can't compare the two.

Most people aren't even aware of the 1957 pandemic.  Essentially influenza viruses have 2 main proteins.  The 1957-1958 pandemic was H2N2.  The Hong Kong flu was H3N2, so people that had H2N2 had partial immunity to the protein N2, offering some hope they would not experience such a bad case of the flu is they did contract the Hong Kong flu or H3N2.  They had partial immunity to the key protein of N2.  So that along with a vaccine to offer the public was standard protocol.   

By the way, the 1957-1958 pandemic and the work that Maurice Hilleman did at Walter Reed to develop a vaccine is quite interesting.  

[proudlyfromNJ]

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@StylishLady wrote:

Anyone remember all these measures during the flu outbreak of 1968-1969 that killed 100,000 in the US and over a million world wide ? I thought so. 

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@StylishLady  I don't remember because I never knew anyone who died from the flu. I will remember this pandemic as we had six friends who died in our small town from it. So what do you think now?

[pitdakota]

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@ccassaday wrote:

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@pitdakota wrote:

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@ccassaday wrote:

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@Somertime wrote:

@ccassaday Are you a Florida resident?

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No i live in Indiana.

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@ccassaday  Indiana is one of the states that makes quite a bit of information from the public health department available to the public.  I know several people in public health in Indiana and they are very dedicated.  Dr. Eric Yazel is the Clark County Health Officer and has had a blog and also posted on Facebook at times since the start of covid-19 cases occurring in Indiana. He is also an Emergency Room Physician, so has a dual perspective since he also has a public health background.  Very dedicated.

Here is the info for hospitalizations to date for Indiana:

0-19 yrs.         45

20-29              183

30-39              371

40-49              601

50-59              952

60-69              1,109

70-79              924

80+                 856

The total number of hospitalizations for above is 5,041 with 1,200 hospitalizations in those under 50 years of age.  

From the Indiana state department of health website: 

https://www.regenstrief.org/covid-dashboard/ 

For deaths, as of yesterday (Indiana did not report stats today) there are a total of 1,607 deaths with a total of 27,778 positive cases reported.

Of those 1,607 deaths 584 occurred in long term care.  For the 27,778 positive cases 3,033 occurred in long term care.

So that does not support that the vast majority of positive cases or deaths are occurring in nursing homes.  

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm 

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Sorry I meant deaths not cases. We have to realize for the majority of people this is not much worse the flu.  I am not saying don’t be careful but we need to put things in perspective. 

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@ccassaday, that is for the deaths. You specifically stated "half the cases are in nursing homes" in a previous post.  For your state there have been 1,607 deaths as reported for Saturday.  Only  584 of those deaths occurred in nursing homes.  So the other 1,023 deaths did not occur in nursing homes as you stated.  That is information directly obtained from the Indiana website.   

You would be hard pressed to get one medical professional that has been taking care of covid patients (many of whom were healthy 30 and 40 year olds) to agree that this is not much worse than the flu.   But that is another story.

[pigletsmom]

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@Porcelain wrote:

Increased deaths are part of the reopening plans. No one is denying that. Some just don't care much about it.

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Why is your response always that people don't care? I have to assume you don't care about the people that die from the flu every year. I haven't seen you call for a shutdown every winter to save those lives. Why don't you care about those people?