Prince Andrew - Page 9

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@Mz iMac wrote:
G. Maxwell is currently at Federal Prison Camp (FPC) Bryan in Bryan, Texas.

Like other federal prison camps, inmates at FPC Bryant are housed in dormitories, with a low staff-to-inmate ratio compared to other, more secure federal prisons. It houses inmates serving time for non-violent offences and white-collar crimes.

While discipline is strict at the facility and all prisoners are expected to work, they also have access to foreign language and business classes, can play sports, watch television and attend religious services.

Contact with family members is allowed to video calls, and inmates are permitted visitors during weekends and holidays, according to a prison handbook published by authorities online.

SOURCE: BBC website

She's there under very suspect and unusual circumstances. Slap in the face for her victims. 😡

Tinkrbl44 · ‎08-23-2010

@Sooner wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@tansy wrote:

@kaydee50 wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 Agree 100%. He was born to a queen. I would think that makes him a prince regardless of what he's done. And Liz may have been regarded highly by her subjects but except for perhaps Anne she seems to be a failure as a mother.

Also agree that "royalty" is obsolete.

The queen deserves credit for how she led by example during WWII but otherwise not so much. I doubt she had a model childhood.

@tansy

Charles was barely a toddler when she went off and was gone for about 6 months.

"Doing her duty", I guess.

What about her duty as a mother?

I'm paraphrasing here, but Jacqueline Kennedy has said it doesn't matter what else you do if you are a failure as a mother.
@Tinkrbl44 If you are the crowned head of acountry, your duty is to God, Country and Family in that order. It isn't a job for the everyone. England can think God Queen Elizabeth was the perfect person for the country. They were blessed to have her.

Jackie could say that because she wasn't running a country and because nobody was counting up the days she was out of the country without the kids. She had no room to talk about anyone leaving their kids home with others.

@Sooner

Parliament / the British government makes the laws. Elizabeth wasn't "running the country" but was a figurehead.

I don't care WHAT your title is. If you have children, it's YOUR job to care for them.

Charles, the adulterer, is the head of the church now? Andrew is in the mess he's in due to his atrocious behavior. They aren't exactly what you'd call "ethical".

Etoile308 · ‎01-04-2014

Let's be reflective here. Plenty of countries have officials, leaders, and figureheads who aren't exactly ethical. Now and in the past.

But is the question of parenting ever asked of male leaders?

nevergivesup · ‎04-24-2010

@tansy wrote:
@Mz iMac wrote:
G. Maxwell is currently at Federal Prison Camp (FPC) Bryan in Bryan, Texas.

Like other federal prison camps, inmates at FPC Bryant are housed in dormitories, with a low staff-to-inmate ratio compared to other, more secure federal prisons. It houses inmates serving time for non-violent offences and white-collar crimes.

While discipline is strict at the facility and all prisoners are expected to work, they also have access to foreign language and business classes, can play sports, watch television and attend religious services.

Contact with family members is allowed to video calls, and inmates are permitted visitors during weekends and holidays, according to a prison handbook published by authorities online.

SOURCE: BBC website

She's there under very suspect and unusual circumstances. Slap in the face for her victims. 😡

She is ineligible to be in a minimum security prison according to the rules because of her sex offender status. As it was, she was in a low level prison in Tallahassee, Florida following her 20 year sentence for sex trafficking. That in itself was a gift. The transfer to the Texas facility totally violated the rules but clearly that doesn't matter.

shoekitty · ‎03-10-2010

I am sure there was a lot the Queen regretted about her children, but she wouldn't ever had said anything to anyone about it. Maybe her sister.? They were raised different. Bothe Jackie and the Queen were raised in orivlidge and money, yes...

the Queen was a prisoner of her own life, so to speak. One of duty. She was head of monarchy, the Church of England and she was ambassador of sorts. Her children were raised physically, and emotionally ,similar to most children of privlige in England and the mores of the times. Sort of, seen and not heard. The kids only saw the Queen at certain intervals during the day, and by appt. They had nanny's. She got reports of the kids, but even at her own admission never gave them a bath. The photos you see of the family were staged. I don'tdoubt for one minute she didn't love her children ,it was the way things were. I don't think any of her children had the hands on love and guidance only a parent can give. Charles was the heir from get go, so his life was totally different than his siblings. You didn't kiss babies then, coddle them, and all were sent away to,school,when young. Yikes. It took Diana, now Kate to break the mold.
Jackie O. was always hands on.she had more freedom, although constantly followed. I think she was a fiercely private woman, who centered her life around her kids as best she could..for who she was. Both Caroline and John turned out to be reasonably well adjusted kids. And humans. Jmho

ETA, Princess Margret was the wild child. They were always monitoring, and censoring her life as well. She was over here in US, partying, doing drugs and a huge drinker. Indeed she was a beautiful, opinionated free spirited woman. She was lucky she didn't do all that in the computer age, lol.

“sometimes you have to bite your upper lip and put sunglasses on”….Bob Dylan

Mz iMac · ‎07-26-2014

@Tinkrbl44 "I don't care WHAT your title is. If you have children, it's YOUR job to care for them. "

Spoken like a woman who I assume was born in a county whose monarchy was booted out sometime around the 1780s.

Within the WORLDWIDE monarchy still in existence, heirs & spares are rarely if ever raised by either parents. They are raised by the nannies & "the help." The heirs are separated from their siblings when they reach a certain age in regards to schooling & the "how to run a country" & "how to interact w/their subjects" lessons.

And don't forget, "Elizabeth" did not become an heir until the age of 10. That is when her schooling changed as she was in effect 10 years behind in her "how to act & think as a queen" lessons.

"Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

shoekitty · ‎03-10-2010

@Mz iMac wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 "I don't care WHAT your title is. If you have children, it's YOUR job to care for them. "
Spoken like a woman who I assume was born in a county whose monarchy was booted out sometime around the 1780s.

Within the WORLDWIDE monarchy still in existence, heirs & spares are rarely if ever raised by either parents. They are raised by the nannies & "the help." The heirs are separated from their siblings when they reach a certain age in regards to schooling & the "how to run a country" & "how to interact w/their subjects" lessons.

And don't forget, "Elizabeth" did not become an heir until the age of 10. That is when her schooling changed as she was in effect 10 years behind in her "how to act & think as a queen" lessons.

@Mz iMac so true!!! I think even Elizabeth regretted she didn't get a normal education later in life. I mean, can you believe as a woman, and heir to the throne they didn't really teach her math, history and such as we learn it. Only what she would need to rule. I think she realized the deficiency in her education as Queen and when conversing with others in her business as Queen . They portrayed a little bit about that aspect of her life in The Queen. I had read earlier about that in a biography about her. She didn't know how stock market worked, how economy worked, certain historical and geographical facts.

“sometimes you have to bite your upper lip and put sunglasses on”….Bob Dylan

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@shoekitty My English mother was the same age as the Queen. She went to school until the equivalent of our sixth grade. It was decided at that age if a student showed promise for further schooling not. My mother was apparently giggly, judged as a poor student, but she did repeat her last year to help her single mother out with childcare.

My mother was very defensive about her lack of education and upset that people thought she was stupid,

shoekitty · ‎03-10-2010

@tansy wrote:
@shoekitty My English mother was the same age as the Queen. She went to school until the equivalent of our sixth grade. It was decided at that age if a student showed promise for further schooling not. My mother was apparently giggly, judged as a poor student, but she did repeat her last year to help her single mother out with childcare.

My mother was very defensive about her lack of education and upset that people thought she was stupid,

@tansy I know today, kids still take an equivilancy test ( or some test) to go on to high school. I think, although coukd be wrong they have lots of trade schools at that point. Going to University, or UNI, as I hear it takes a bit of money and high grades. I have friends in London outskirts, her son is autistic and they provide him with stellar education and special transportation, schools and such. Her daughter is in regular school, 2nd I think. It is a different education, but lots of trips and hands on education ,more than heavy book work. I imagine in our moms time things were very different as well.

“sometimes you have to bite your upper lip and put sunglasses on”….Bob Dylan

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@tansy wrote:

@kaydee50 wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 Agree 100%. He was born to a queen. I would think that makes him a prince regardless of what he's done. And Liz may have been regarded highly by her subjects but except for perhaps Anne she seems to be a failure as a mother.

Also agree that "royalty" is obsolete.

The queen deserves credit for how she led by example during WWII but otherwise not so much. I doubt she had a model childhood.

@tansy

Charles was barely a toddler when she went off and was gone for about 6 months.

"Doing her duty", I guess.

What about her duty as a mother?

I'm paraphrasing here, but Jacqueline Kennedy has said it doesn't matter what else you do if you are a failure as a mother.
@Tinkrbl44 If you are the crowned head of acountry, your duty is to God, Country and Family in that order. It isn't a job for the everyone. England can think God Queen Elizabeth was the perfect person for the country. They were blessed to have her.

Jackie could say that because she wasn't running a country and because nobody was counting up the days she was out of the country without the kids. She had no room to talk about anyone leaving their kids home with others.

@Sooner

Parliament / the British government makes the laws. Elizabeth wasn't "running the country" but was a figurehead.

I don't care WHAT your title is. If you have children, it's YOUR job to care for them.

Charles, the adulterer, is the head of the church now? Andrew is in the mess he's in due to his atrocious behavior. They aren't exactly what you'd call "ethical".